I apologize if my comment felt rude. I brough the cattle point to showcase that the current government of Russia doesnt really care about its people which could seem from your comment that it does.
I did give an alternative explanation though and it was for big companies in Russia to get more control over production.
You literally said that it contained “grains of truth”, implying that it’s largely made up and then said I was just trying to push a specific narrative. That’s pretty rude if you ask me.
I don’t know exactly what you mean that Russia does “not care for it’s people”. The meme I posted is very clear that I’m critical of the exploitative system in Russia today. I don’t think anyone contends that the Russian government is doing such a costly military operation and eating all these sanctions just because they want to do what’s right for the people in the Donbas. I thought the comment I reposted actually laid the clear economic incentives for their actions out, and why I would consider it a defensive war. Ukraine suddenly getting much closer with NATO, getting into free trade agreements with the EU that endanger the Russian economy etc. Russia prior to that was pretty respectful of Ukraine’s sovereignty as far as I know, it was only when Ukraine made such a hard shift to the West and had russophobic paramilitary nazi troops launch a civil war on their border that they intervened, which seems like a pretty good reason to me? And they only intervened with aid and not directly at first, it was 5 years into an ongoing war that they actually got involved with their own military.
To me, if Russia’s aim had been to just grab as much of Ukraine as they want they would have done it sooner, and there would be other indications of this prior (like e.g. a free trade agreement and forcing them to take a loan like the EU does). I’m certainly not an expert on this which is why I copied someone elses comment and didn’t write my own, so if you have more information please do share.
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I apologize if my comment felt rude. I brough the cattle point to showcase that the current government of Russia doesnt really care about its people which could seem from your comment that it does.
I did give an alternative explanation though and it was for big companies in Russia to get more control over production.
You literally said that it contained “grains of truth”, implying that it’s largely made up and then said I was just trying to push a specific narrative. That’s pretty rude if you ask me.
I don’t know exactly what you mean that Russia does “not care for it’s people”. The meme I posted is very clear that I’m critical of the exploitative system in Russia today. I don’t think anyone contends that the Russian government is doing such a costly military operation and eating all these sanctions just because they want to do what’s right for the people in the Donbas. I thought the comment I reposted actually laid the clear economic incentives for their actions out, and why I would consider it a defensive war. Ukraine suddenly getting much closer with NATO, getting into free trade agreements with the EU that endanger the Russian economy etc. Russia prior to that was pretty respectful of Ukraine’s sovereignty as far as I know, it was only when Ukraine made such a hard shift to the West and had russophobic paramilitary nazi troops launch a civil war on their border that they intervened, which seems like a pretty good reason to me? And they only intervened with aid and not directly at first, it was 5 years into an ongoing war that they actually got involved with their own military.
To me, if Russia’s aim had been to just grab as much of Ukraine as they want they would have done it sooner, and there would be other indications of this prior (like e.g. a free trade agreement and forcing them to take a loan like the EU does). I’m certainly not an expert on this which is why I copied someone elses comment and didn’t write my own, so if you have more information please do share.