Aimchi007, aimchi007@lemmy.world

I apologize if my comment felt rude. I brough the cattle point to showcase that the current government of Russia doesnt really care about its people which could seem from your comment that it does.

I did give an alternative explanation though and it was for big companies in Russia to get more control over production.

Okay i agree and i was thinking about it in the context of today ignoring the historical precedent but my main point(imperialis figting imperialism doesn justify imperialism) still holds

Thanks for the critique and i agree with you that that specific point of mine was weak. The problem is that what you said can very well start being a justification for Russia to conquer essentially any land and say ‘well its for our security’ sure that might be so but unlie Napoleonic wars WW1 WW2 there are nukes and Russia has plenty of them along with a system inhereted from soviets(im talking about the one where missials could be launched automatically if administration is down).

Wasnt it Russia that agreed to respect Ukrainian borders and sovereignty(1994 Budapest memorandum)?

While there are grains of truth in your argument you are trying to paint Russia as a defender of its people which it really isnt. For instance relatevely recently in order for big business to gain more control and eventually monopolize cattle farming their andministration started a killing cattle of farmers in rural regions were it was their main economic activity painting it as a measure to combat a disease(yeah sure a disease that spread from Kalmykia to Tuva with gaps in between) btw the cattle was killed in an extremely cruel way people report that animals were burned alive in front of their owners again it was the main means for paying the bills for them.

That said i agree that i didnt think about western intervention well enough and was wrong. Still my point about fighting imperialism not justifying imperialism holds.

I cant see what west has to do with this conflict aside from providing aid to Ukraine which is fighting for its independence. West definetely wasnt the force that initiated this conflict. Like think about it the borders of Ukraine were determined by USSR which was controlled by russian elites, hell even if it wasnt modern Russian government admires them(I really cant wrap my head around their current ideology that tries to combine admire both Russian empire AND USSR which rebelled against said empire).

Also fighting one form of imperialism isnt a justification for another thats how you end up justifying inhumane. Your point about a border conflict is rather vague too as any direct imperialist expansion can be considered a ‘border conflict’ if you stretch it enough.

‘and has not ever taken over any of its neighbors through these conflicts and managed their economic affairs to Russia’s benefits.’ Well except they do it through bribing corrupt officials and helping them advance every way they can, I am saying this as a resident of a country influenced by this.