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The Lost Joy of Music Piracy
https://www.pigeonsandplanes.com/read/music-piracy-what-cd-oink-nine-inch-nails-streaming
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Finally able to navigate past the WhatCD’s homepage—a mysterious login screen that read, “Beyond here is something like a utopia”—I familiarized myself with their textbook-length list of rules, and spent countless hours combing through everything the website had to offer.
A world where people read Da Rulz is still possible
☂️-i miss the times when paying for music was considered cringe
If you have any of the releases from those days or even scene releases form the before times, or can rip and upload, they are still desired on red and oph.
DessalinesCool article, I wasn’t on any of these private trackers, but I remember them getting shut down.
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆Napster and Gnutella were the ones I used back in the day. All my music is still in mp3s today, and I’ve never had a single reason to regret not using streaming services so far.
ive literally never opened a spotify link. i am clean and in my prime
Same for me, + limewire and IRC channels, then torrents. There was a golden age in the 2000s where you’d see new albums and movies get released before they even came out, and in relatively good quality too.
This is anecdotal, but everyone I meet born after 2000 has no idea what torrents are, or how to share media, and many of them are paying for like 3 streaming services. They have no idea all this stuff is available for free without much effort, and with better quality.
Oh yeah forgot about limewire. :) And I’ve been noticing the same trend, a lot of people don’t really know how to torrent things anymore. It really is a strictly superior user experience. Once you have a file then nobody can take it away from you, it doesn’t expire, you can play it on whatever device you want whenever you want. The fact that people accept streaming along with all the limitations is really crazy to me. Even outside the question of cost, it’s just a shittier overall experience.
Music piracy will come make a comeback eventually. Its already coming back with movies.
Paying for music is in a blip of being better than piracy for most people and the “morally correct” argument is very dominent right now.
But the contradiction between consumers wanting cheap convinient music and streaming cites wanting as much money as possible can’t last like this forever.
Also, I think people are starting to understand that streaming isn’t actually owning, and that anything that’s not a file on your machine can just be taken away from you on whim.
People have definitely noticed that with movies. But music streaming is pretty good with having 99% of what most people need and songs don’t just dissapear nearly as often, we’ll see how that changes though.
yup, good news is all the files are out there, and not going anywhere :)
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Some of my favorite music today, is odd stuff I found on Napster. Got me into sea chanties
Samez, just random stuff from Usenet was how I discovered things like Global Communication (which I then bought)
Ngl, once I had stable internet access, and the ability to burn discs, I went full pirate.
I methodically downloaded every album I could never afford, copies of the ones I bought, and then started discovering new artists (many of whom I eventually bought stuff of).
Once I got an iPod, I was happy as a pig in slops. What could be better than carrying ten times the music that would fit in my biggest realistically portable cd carrier? And it was pocket size!
Amazing article, just super cool. Somehow I never knew that site.
Thanks for that.
Man this makes me nostalgic for the old internet… Is it the song you want or is it something very different? Or does it have some hidden virus? You won’t know until tomorrow because dial up takes forever!
I know I’m in the wrong place to say this but, I don’t even know how to do that anymore. Spotify spoiled me. Now it’s hot garbage. I should’ve never given up owning my media.
Try Bandcamp as well for nonpiracy options. Buy and download FLAC albums from the artists themselves. No DRM
Bandcamp is great. I buy albums on Bandcamp when I can. Too many artists are not on there though, or only have older albums available.
I use qobuz for stuff that is not on bandcamp, big enough to be part of standard distribution, but also let’s you buy and download lossless.
What I dislike about Bandcamp is that the music you bought can disappear from your Bandcamp library/account.
There’s still a need to download everything and make sure you have backups, etc.
“Buy to own”, but only as far as you download it. I was surprised when I learned they can disappear, and indeed had it happen to me. It also means you have to track what you bought differently.
Interesting. I have yet to lose anything from my library on Bandcamp but that would piss me off if it happened.
I do download and backup my purchases though. I download in both FLAC and mp3 320 formats so I have my bases covered just in case. It is annoying to keep my purchases separate though.
I do like paying a good artist for their hard work!
Soulseek is the best place for music outside of private trackers imo
I just discovered Soulseek this week after running the -arrs for 2-3 years.
Soulseek is so good.
I def have to check it out now lol
Thank you
Go back to your roots. It all works still. Soulseek, edonkey, torrents, IRC stilll has xdcc, and of course lots of direct download.
There are more programs than ever before to help you host your own music easily.
Where does one source stuff safely these days? I say that like limewire and kazaa was safe 🤣 shit was the wild west.
I second Soulseek, like another person mentioned. It’s one of those Limewire types of peer to peer sharing programs. You share what you’ve got in your music folder and others do the same. It’s been a while since I’ve used it, but I hear it’s still doing well. It’s been around for ages!
Thank you!
Your best option will always be private torrent sites in my opinion. Usenet is cumbersome and requires usually at least two paid subscriptions. One for the Usenet server and one for the indexer you use to find your warez on Usenet. Soulseek, edonkey et al will get you music but tags and quality will be all over the place.
Troll around on tracker threads either here but most likely on reddit for open invites. Use an open invite to talk on the forums on that site and they usually have invite threads on there. Go from a open sign up to a closed private site with a little patience and a little time.
Thank you
I highly HIGHLY recommend cancelling your streaming. Ive been no streaming for a year and a half and its been amazing.
Music is mostly youtube download and convert these days. I just do it in command line but there are still apps too. You can still leech music if you want. Its not much dfferent than movies or something. As long as you know what to look for, its pretty safe.
Honestly the only streaming I have is spotify and it’s because my ex is still paying for it lol
Based
Theres a github program that let’s you download your Spotify music as a list that you can concert into a YouTube playlist, then you just download the YouTube videos as mp3’s.
A lot the music I listen to isnt even on Spotify but that YouTube video I found 10+ years ago still is.
So good!! It is enjoyable. People just have No idea nowadays.
What a great read. I was going to try the what.cd interview one day but never got there. Now I wish I had just to experience what it must have been.
We still have redacted
Right! I totally forgot it existed.
Oink and what.CD were special. What.CD went down when I wasn’t paying attention and my music collecting has never been the same since
Have you looked at soulseek/slskd (docker soulseek client intended to be used with the *arr stack)?
Soulseek is great and I always recommend trying it, but it still can’t compete with what.CD. We really lost the library of alexandria there. Not just because of the content, but also the community that formed around it.
Now we have Orpheus and Redacted, which are still pretty good music trackers. But to this day they still haven’t reached what what.CD was.
Hasn’t Discogs replaced the database (and community) part, or I’m missing something?
Yeah, the new ones aren’t really even close to what.cd, but they are still the best we have.
I have those bookmarked to dig in to further, but my understanding is Soulseek is more of a modern day Napster/Kazaa/Morpheus/Limewire. As the other poster mentions, the community around What.CD was a huge part of what made it special.
I went from Oinks to Waffles.fm and it lasted a while. We had a lot of What.cd peeps there too if I recall correctly.
Another one I miss is turntable.fm, was great to work with that in the background, and I definitely discovered new stuff from the human curators that were DJing there.
Oh damn! I forgot about waffles.fm. also a great one.
I remember downloading a copy of King Missile’s Detachable Penis incorrectly credited to The Flaming Lips. Like … I must’ve known it wasn’t them, but it sat on my Flaming Lips playlist for years and I just assumed it was something from their earlier, weirder 80’s days.
I remember talking about this on a message board once before and like 3 other people chimed in with this exact same song, apparently it was a bit of a thing. Probably just one person’s mistake, but the internet felt a lot smaller back then and it’s not surprising it would’ve propagated like that.
“oink me” - that’s a fun website name, I like it