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Activist charged with felony after giving border agent "duress code" that wiped his phone
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DarkFutureJust say you gave the cop the right password but the dipshit fat fingered it and typed the wipe password, which was similar.
No way to prove otherwise.
Exactly what a duress code is for, watch this charge shrivel like a dick in the cold when they try to identify exactly what “evidence” was deleted.
TheTechnician27That’s not how the law works. In fact, that’s intentionally not how the law works specifically because of what you said. They don’t have to “identify the evidence” that was deleted; they need to show that records were destroyed knowingly and intentionally which the government intended to and had the lawful authority to seize – namely and quite broadly the contents of his phone, which he obviously, knowingly did. In fact, this is so not-how-the-law-works by design that the US legal system uses the common law concept of adverse inference for cases when evidence is withheld or destroyed.
If the federal government shows up to search my house and I burn my house down, the point isn’t “well show me what evidence I destroyed lol”. This is borderline SovCit pseudolegal logic.
Here’s the statute he was charged under.
As I noted in another comment, it’s likely the “lawful authority” of the government to have performed the search in the first place will be challenged, which is what the statute requires in part (a). It’ll be up to the government to show they had this authority – which it seems like they didn’t, and I hope it gets thrown out, but regardless, your interpretation of this is abject nonsense.
TL;DR: They do not need to know a single byte of information that was on his phone for this charge provided they can show they had lawful authority to seize it.
In this particular case, there are also 5th amendment issues with the Miranda warnings.
The CBP officers repeatedly ignored the defendant’s requests for a lawyer, and they continued to question him anyway. Then, the defendant allegedly told them the “unlock” / duress code.
There’s existing case law in the US that phone unlock codes are “testimony” within the 5th amendment’s right to remain silent, so a search warrant cannot compel someone to divulge them. (This is different from a phone unlock fingerprint, which can be compelled with a warrant).
I halfway expect the government to argue somewhat against this case law, but who knows? DOJ is now scraping the very bottom of the barrel to find lawyers, so sometimes it’s hard to tell if they have any kind of coherent plan at all.
The phone owner is either outside of the US, where they don’t have jurisdiction, or inside the US where should be protected from this level of invasion of privacy
Well, yeah, I agree: hence I hope these charges are dismissed.
I’m going to call out nonsensical reasoning even if it arrives at a conclusion I agree with (maybe even especially if it arrives at a conclusion I agree with).
In the US, you don’t have to specify what evidence was destroyed, but you DO have to offer a reasonable, articulated suspicion that a crime has occurred, you have to specify what crime has occurred, AND you have to specify the type of evidence you’re looking for.
To use your burning down the house analogy, the police would have to say, “I think you’re selling cocaine, based on the fact that I arrested someone leaving your house with cocaine and they said you sold it to them, and I want to search your house for cocaine,” before they file destruction of evidence charges because you burned down your house.
They can’t say, “I think you’re selling drugs because I think you look like someone who sells drugs, and I want to search your house for anything that might be drug-related,” and that’s basically what happened here.
For the destruction of evidence charges to stick, they first need to present evidence that a specific crime might have occurred, and present evidence suggesting that evidence of that crime exists on the phone, AND specify what kind of evidence might exist. So, if they have text messages from another person, that could be used to prove another half of the conversation is on the phone. If someone testifies to pictures or videos existing on the phone, they can use that. But they can’t just say, “SOME evidence of SOMETHING must have been on there.”
empireOfLove2It most likely is going to get tossed just on procedural constitutional violations- they didn’t read him rights, didn’t provide him a lawyer, and actively lied about what they were supposedly searching for.
Wow! You may be right here, not a SovCit, just European and not used to how the US criminalises their citizens in every way possible. For a country of “free speech” and “freedom” there sure are a number of ways you let the government walk all over you.
I wonder when they draw the line, could you be persecuted for deleting an email while at home before you travel? on the plane? What about in the security line?
In this case it’s just as likely that he accidentally gave the duress code instead of his actual pin, given zero crime this should be a valid and successful defense, although murca gonna murca.
just European
- French Penal Code Article 434-4: “Est puni de trois ans d’emprisonnement et de 45 000 euros d’amende le fait, en vue de faire obstacle à la manifestation de la vérité : 1° De modifier l’état des lieux d’un crime ou d’un délit soit par l’altération, la falsification ou l’effacement des traces ou indices, soit par l’apport, le déplacement ou la suppression d’objets quelconques ; 2° De détruire, soustraire, receler ou altérer un document public ou privé ou un objet de nature à faciliter la découverte d’un crime ou d’un délit, la recherche des preuves ou la condamnation des coupables.”
- The UK covers this as “perverting the course of justice”.
- Maybe not surprisingly, then, Ireland covers this too: “(a) knows or suspects that an investigation by the Garda Síochána into an offence under this Act is being or is likely to be carried out, and “(b) falsifies, conceals, destroys or otherwise disposes of a document or record which he or she knows or suspects is or would be relevant to the investigation or causes or permits its falsification, concealment, destruction or disposal,”.
- Austria StGB Section 229: “(1)Absatz einsWer eine Urkunde, über die er nicht oder nicht allein verfügen darf, vernichtet, beschädigt oder unterdrückt, ist, wenn er mit dem Vorsatz handelt, zu verhindern, daß sie im Rechtsverkehr zum Beweis eines Rechtes, eines Rechtsverhältnisses oder einer Tatsache gebraucht werde, mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu einem Jahr oder mit Geldstrafe bis zu 720 Tagessätzen zu bestrafen.” (Edit: And in case you want to grasp at straws with “right of disposal”, Section 111 of the StPO covers seizure laws. Germany covers its obligation to comply with seizure under StPO 95, but I don’t know specifically about how spoliation of records is treated.)
I have no idea why you assume this is some US-specific concept. Maybe some European countries don’t have this (I’m not certain, this was based on a very cursory, two-minute DDG search), but there definitely are ones that do.
Edit: And dude, come on: “In this case it’s just as likely that he accidentally gave the duress code instead of his actual pin” Literally nobody’s going to buy the “oopsies, I gave you the ’nuke my phone’ code instead of the regular one I use multiple times per day by mistake!” defense. Trying to argue that would be a recipe to lose, as you’d lose all credibility with a judge/jury when you have actual credible, legal arguments you can make. You can just say things; that doesn’t make them true or reasonable. “Your honor, a cosmic bit flip destroyed my phone!”
In order to “pervert the cause of justice”, there has to be a crime. Save your AI tokens, my comments are here more for humour and whimsy than legal advice.
Maybe you should take Lemmy less seriously.
Save your AI tokens
I literally just used DuckDuckGo to look up the laws of a few countries over like a couple minutes using relevant keywords (albeit I already knew “perverting the course of justice” in the UK) because you decided to keep spewing uninformed bullshit. I don’t use LLMs for research because I’ve found I can normally do it faster and better. (Edit: I should clarify I used an LLM to translate the laws via DeepL, but not to find them.)
I’m sorry that seems so difficult to you that a human wouldn’t go to the effort.
my comments are here more for humour and whimsy
I mean I’ll give you humor: I’d pay to see you represent yourself *pro se*; your combination of stupid, annoying, and arrogant would be magical. I’m sure the court will love when you start making ridiculous, bad-faith interpretations of the law based on nonsense semantic arguments. You could be the next “Your honor, I wasn’t driving; I was *traveling*.”
I saw this same comment in the comments on the article and it just doesn’t make any sense. The owner of the phone didn’t burn anything down, the feds did. They were the ones with the device, they were the ones that typed in the code.
This would be like the federal government showing up to search your house, you saying “no”, they say “give us a key” (not the key to unlock, but a key) and you give them one set on fire and they light the house on fire themselves. You didn’t do anything except give them what they asked for, it’s their fault they didn’t realize what it would do. I believe if the defendant argues it properly in court there’s gonna be nothing the Feds can do, because he didn’t interfere with anything.
Maybe if the feds had asked for the passcode that let them into the phone so they could search it then that’s one thing. But I seriously doubt they did.
edit: in addition what he’s being charged of is destruction of property to prevent seizure. The government still has the phone, they were not prevented from taking property under their control. This statute doesn’t match in any sense of the word.
for the purpose of preventing or impairing the Government’s lawful authority to take such property into its custody or control or to continue holding such property under its lawful custody and control
They were the ones with the device, they were the ones that typed in the code. […] and you give them one set on fire and they light the house on fire themselves.
I have no idea how some people can believe the words they say. Literally the entire point of a duress code is that the attacker doesn’t know that it’s a duress code – that it looks indistinguishable from a normal password. In your example, the key is physically on fire. A duress code is “oops, I gave you the key that activates a hidden mechanism to burn my house down. Guess you’re the ones who destroyed it lol.”
To say “well your honor, I intentionally tricked someone into destroying the evidence for me” would not hold up in court is an understatement.
I’m not trying to be condescending, genuinely making sure because your analogy is so far-off: you are familiar with what a duress password is, right?
I’m not trying to be condescending, genuinely making sure because your analogy is so far-off: you are familiar with what a duress password is, right?
yes… and you do understand that if you are a federal agent who is questioning someone, you probably shouldn’t be trusting anything they say right? You do understand that these are ‘special agents’ who should (and do!) have training on different operating systems and how to get into them right? The FBI is known for buying tools to get them into iOS even, the CBP breaks into phones daily!
I have no idea how some people can believe the words they say.
Right back at you. Let’s do a different analogy. If I give someone a gun and they murder someone with that, I’m not culpable. Unless they tell me they are going to murder someone with it before I give it to them. And then you’re an accomplice to murder, but not a murderer. If the CBP told him they were going to unlock the phone with the code then sure, he’s an accomplice to the actual crime which is “Destruction or removal of property to prevent seizure”. Which would require trying the CBP agent for that same crime. Do you think the CBP agent is going to be tried for it?
In any case, my analogy isn’t off at all, either of them. An CBP agent knows better, and if they don’t they’re incompetent and should be fired.
So presumption of innocence is officially dead (along with rule of law generally).
No1Also dead:
- Privacy
- Probable cause
- Right to travel freely
- …
DFX4509B- Free speech and free expression.
- Press freedom.
- If this incident is a sign of things to come, and they start going after Linux phones or tablets and Linux or BSD desktops or laptops next, device ownership.
SeductiveTortoiseHey, I have no sympathy for people who do BSD to each other. That’s just vile sexual abnormality! 🤢
You know full well what BSD I meant…
Not only that, I wouldn’t know what it could mean otherwise 😅
0xDREADBEEFWhen did non-white people ever have those in america? Those are privileges afforded to those of a certain melanin composition, not all americans equally. People who thought they benefited from so-called ‘universal’ liberties are quickly finding out that it was never universal to begin with. “Rights” have never been “universal” guarantees for American people. Not once in the history of this nation have rights been ‘universally’ applied. They have been case-by-case applied, and often people of a certain melanin composition benefited from the ‘universal right’ while others don’t have the ‘universal’ aspect of those rights applied to them. This is not a coincidence and it is beneficial to no one to think it’s just a coincidence—well at least it’s not beneficial to anyone worth benefiting.
“All men are created equal”… except those ones over there
It’s okay, we’re still afraid to fuck off and die. They just don’t say that part out loud because the dead can’t pay taxes.
Didn’t some in the FBI and some members of congress wipe their phones and destroy burner phones? Didn’t seem to be any problem there.
Don’t forget that the Secret Service wiped their phones for a 2-day span around Jan-6.
I’ll never forget that. Blatant cover up around one of our nations most shameful days in recent memory… that we know about. I’m sure this country commits atrocities daily that the American people don’t know about or otherwise wouldn’t believe.
quick_snailWhat’s different here is that the officer wiped the device owned by the activist
It’s going to be interesting if they go to prison, and how much compensation will be paid to the victim
I’m really interested in how this is gonna go.
I’m also excited, personally. It’s the best case to establish a good precedent… Especially since the officer wiped it.
I expect the victim will counter sue for damages, and this will be a huge win
I’ll say this: a possible destruction of evidence charge is the bulwark against whatever evidence might have been destroyed, the possession of which could have been a much more egregious charge. Not saying they actually possessed any criminal evidence, but the legal theory behind the concept plays this out. If, perhaps, they possessed some dangerous or damaging documents, a “destruction of evidence“ charge would be nothing compared to some potentially much more terrible charges they could possibly suffer from the discovery of, say, whatever else you could possibly imagine. Although there is no evidence this person possessed anything of the sort, let alone anything illegal at all.
And while this is a total bullshit charge that this person only could’ve gotten “outside of the protections of the constitution” that only theoretically exists before this person “crossed the border”, as a US citizen, this is still only legal theory that hasn’t quite been tested yet.
As others have mentioned, this is precisely what this feature is for. Other technology companies have similar protections, although they institute it slightly differently.
Apple, for example, has instituted in accessibility protections on its devices in a slightly different manner. For example, if you think that your device might be accessed without your permission, you can enable lockdown mode by clicking the power button five times to enable several additional layers of encryption. It also turns off every possible wired and wireless port of access to your device. It also lowers the tolerance for incorrect passwords from 5 to 3, and after three incorrect password entries, instead of locking down the device for several hours, it immediately initiate a device wipe that cannot be interrupted by a power down.
This mitigates the need for a “dress password“ and this may have a legal difference, since providing the correct password won’t be necessary and shift the liability to the authority entering a “guessed“ password. so either that authority can continue incorrectly, guessing your password or can simply shut the device off and leave it in some archive somewhere to never be accessed.
These are subtle differentiations, and different approaches, and these tech companies are attempting these different approaches with successes and failures in an attempt to help their customers maintain privacy. And, until tested, we can only guess at their successes and failures.
This is one of those times.
“I can tell you my password is most definitely NOT 6666"
*Agent types it in
“Oh no! Look what you’ve done!”
explodicleI saw one good suggestion here to just write down your duress pin and leave it in your wallet.
ØR10N5B3LTlockdown mode has to be enabled in the settings. it requires a pin & a device reset.
pressing the power button 5 times can either call 911, if you have that set up, or it resets face id & prompts you for your pin, again.
although true, so do such levels of security on most devices/OSs.
if you want this level of security on any device, it isn’t by default– even with GrapheneOS, you have to go to the trouble of actually installing it– or go to the trouble of finding a device that actually comes pre-installed with it, which your local mobile provider does not sell
the point being that, for more than bog-standard security, some level of effort by the user will, yes, be required.
In situations like this, I don’t like that most phones tell you how many attempts are left. If they really want what’s on your phone, they’re going to stop before they run out of attempts and use some tool to break the encryption.
AxolotlI think that the OS shouldn’t just restart and wipe everthing tbh, it’s too obvious, it should get in a 2nd profile, wipe the other silently and when the wipe it’s done display something like “update downloaded, the phone is about to restart” then actually restart the phone and do a bunch of other stuff while it “updates” or soft-break the OS after “the updated failed” or sum
“You’re guilty because you were hiding something.”
Says people hiding their face and name.
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ZakI don’t know if this works from a legal perspective, but it certainly does from a logical perspective.
The border search exception exists so border agents can check for things that are illegal to import and prevent their importation. Erasing all the data on a storage device ensures there is nothing on it that is illegal to import, accomplishing the purported goal of the search.
From a legal perspective, everyone has constitutional rights against the authorities going on a fishing expedition and searching you.
It’s not like it’s an invasive plant or something physical that our borders would be the last line of defense. The only thing on a cell phone is data. I guarantee I can get data into the US in a myriad of ways. I can even put it on a cell phone in a way that border agents would have no chance of finding.
So, although I understand that legally, these cell phone searches have not been found unconstitutional today, I think they are obviously unconstitutional. They aren’t protecting our borders against something that has no other way in. It’s just an unreasonable search and if we’re forced to give them the unlock code, it’s a violation of our right not to self-incriminate.
I agree, though I’m not sure how many of the current supreme court justices would - not enough, I fear.
CosmicTurtle0 [he/him]Yes, and my comment was about why the border search exception doesn’t make sense for cell phones specifically and so it should be unconstitutional for them to search cell phones specifically.
Not to mention our entire system of laws is based on pedantry where a comma here or misplaced word there can change the entire meaning of laws. Just because courts have ruled “routine warrantless searches” are permissible doesn’t give these agents carte blanche to do as they please. Courts have also ruled that body cavity searches at the border can’t be performed without a warrant or probable cause as just one example proving my point. Most of the case law mentioned here is regarding traffic stops and vehicle inspections which are far from searching through your device full of personal information and private communications.
Regardless of shitty court ruling, it should be evident to most people that this violates our Constitutional rights despite the government giving themselves permission to violate said rights.
Th4tGuyIISo based on the emails, he was always going to be detained as guilty of something…
And using the duress code to hide his sensitive data from a clearly biased adversary just gave them an easy excuse to do what they were always going to do.
So based on the emails, he was always going to be detained as guilty of something…
Then they should have gotten a warrant.
Why go through all the hassle of getting a warrant when you can instead coerce the person you want to detain into doing something you can label as a criminal act and detain them for that.
So much less red-tape, and you get to stomp on someone’s rights in the process. Sounds like an easy win to me /s
Atelopus-zetekiIs there any actual evidence that evidence was destroyed? Maybe there never was any evidence for The Phone / GrapheneOS to store. Who is to say?
Nice, can’t wait till Tunick wins, and then brings the civil suit for defamation.
ReygleI know MY duress PIN, and I’ll fucking use it if I feel I need to. These nazis can’t fucking intimidate me.
TiralI agree, well sort of. You have zero clue what a “Nazi” government is, but I’ll tell you as bad as the US is, it isn’t close to “Nazi” levels. But I will 100% use a duress code to wipe my phone and they can blow me.
I feel like I have some clue what the nazi playbook is and does. There are many parallels between Germany in 1938 and things happening here in 2026.
You say from your privileged bubble. People are being killed in the streets and thrown into camps and you don’t see the parallels to 1930’s Germany?
Shit like this is exactly why I take a burner phone on international trips. Fuck you, you aren’t getting my shit.
None of my friends really seem to get it though and always question it.
CapuccinoCorettoThis is a cut and dry case. They’re accusing Tunick of wiping the phone to hide evidence. But by their own account, that did not happen.
The border patrol agent entered the duress code, he wiped the phone to hide evidence. When he clearly should have confiscated the phone and given it to the tech department to crack like any normal fascist police officer would do.
So, this CBP agent should be tried as a terrorist for hiding evidence. Remember, what matters are not his intentions, but his actions.
IIRC, they can only charge him with a felony if they can prove there was some sort of illegal data on his phone prior to the wipe. Otherwise they ain’t got shit and I hope this guys lawyer wipes the floor with the idiotic justice dept lawyers.
A tip for those who are worried they may be in a similar situation. This is based upon training at previous jobs as well as helping journalist friends out:
Do not take a burner and do not take a blank device through a border checkpoint (what customs essentially is). You have VERY murky rights in those situations and there are plenty of legal carve outs (in many nations) to essentially throw you in a black site under suspicions. And someone having a factory reset device is right up there with “These students aren’t interested in learning how to land a plane” for red flags.
If you have sensitive information on your devices? Remove that ahead of time. Look into methods where you can access it remotely (VPNing into a remote system being the easiest). You want to be able to wipe and recover your device when traveling…
Hell, even if you aren’t concerned about protecting sources for a story or concealing your sexuality, it is a good “point” to reach. Because pickpockets exist and your phone could get stolen or even destroyed.
So problem solved. Wipe your phone while you are taxiing and recover it on the cab ride to your hotel! No, don’t do that. Because if you get inspected you are raising ALL the alarm bells.
Instead, get into the habit of having a minimal state phone. It is one of the many reasons I discourage people from actually deleting those Facebook accounts (aside from it meaning you no longer have any “right” to images that are tagged as the numeric identity that just happens to be you…). Having a facebook account you haven’t posted on in a decade but still keep to get notifications from the local parenting group is a perfectly normal thing. Having a dating app on the phone (assuming you don’t have to conceal your sexuality) is a perfectly normal thing to do. Same with having a reddit or an instagram where you thirst after Benedict Cumberbatch’s feet. And so forth.
Which is the reality. While this is straight bullshit… it also kinda isn’t. If someone is traveling internationally with a fully wiped phone (bonus points for apparently deleting it while customs were trying to get into it…)… that is gonna put you on a watchlist and.. they probably aren’t wrong to do so.
Think of your personal devices as being like your car. Some stuff you just toss on the floor of the back seat and cover with a blanket so it isn’t super visible from the outside. Other stuff you just don’t leave unattended in your car, period. And… if every time you borrow a car you get it fully detailed and change the upholstery… folk are gonna be wondering just how many bodies you have driven out to the desert in that.
Your point is only valid if you trust the government, and you have a right not to trust them. A government you dont trust can use anything on your phone to put some bullshit charge on you, there is no phone, even a minimal phone, that does not have something on there they could use to pin some shit on you. I think you have to plan rules around a possible untrustworthy/fascist government while you have a normal government. Like habeus corpus, right to be forgotten, information requests, etc.
The current american government seems completely batshit insane of the rails, which is why I am using my privilege to never have to go there, to never go there. Some folk must go there, and they need basic protections against fascist rulers. I think, your point boils down to fascism-light. ' You shouldn’t have incriminating stuff on there ‘… the only way to do that is with a burner.
dadaroboti find it funny when the people trying to give practical advice are downvoted just because the authorities shouldnt be able to do stuff like this.
im sure youre not saying border control should be allowed to search a phone without a warrant, youre telling peoole how to keep their info safe when you have a warrantless search take place.
Yeah… reddit is REAL stupid. And… I’ve increasingly come to realize that lemmy might actually be worse. People want to view the world as they want to and don’t care about living in the one we are stuck in.
But, whatever. Maybe someone will see that and act accordingly. I am genuinely proud of, allegedly, having helped a fair few journalism group chats work out best practices.
… And, case in point, “you used too many words so it made me think you were acting smarter than me” is very much not information I would volunteer. And yet people do. Oy
wunamiI didn’t downvote, but I found your writing style to be unnecessarily verbose. As in, the comment went on for paragraphs when the point could be made in a few sentences.
Like maybe: A completely wiped factory reset phone raises suspicions that there was something on there you wanted to hide. But a phone cleaned of sensitive data that still has all the normal benign apps and files would be less likely to get extra scrutiny.
All that extra explanation could seem/feel like you were underestimating people’s intelligence.
If you have sensitive information on your devices? Remove that ahead of time.
That is not a reliable solution. I cannot endorse this course of action at all. The bottom line is that it is nearly impossible to actually remove all sensitive data from a phone that was in active use. Also remember, deleting files is not the same as removing them from a computer, they’re still there if you know how to look. And having some of that data in the cloud makes you more vulnerable, not less. It means there’s a third party to get your data from and guess what, that party already has an existing relationship and agreement with law enforcement. And even if your data were safe in the cloud, just accessing it can leave that data sitting in caches on your device in locations you may not even be able to access (but law enforcement will).
Pretending that it’s possible to make a device safe is dangerous. Just take a burner.
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Tunick provided this code to an agent, who entered it on the phone, after which “the screen went blank, flashed several times and the phone appeared to restart.” All data on the phone was gone, but authorities confiscated it anyway.
They should be required to prove that such an OS was installed on the phone, that such a duress code was configured, and that it was the one provided, otherwise that was clearly a glitch in the phone, a cosmic ray bit flip, or the agent fumbling ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Can’t be responsible when it left his custody, right?
Yeah, they must have entered the wrong one
Device profiles can also wipe a phone after failed attempts (among many other things). The most common way for this is signing into your work’s 365 and accepting to add the device. This is so company data is automatically or remotely wiped should anything go wrong.
Does the GrapheneOS data-wipe actually wipe ALL data including the OS (presumably bricking the phone), or does it just delete personal data (thus just boots back up and appears like any brand new phone awaiting setup)? If the latter, seems like they could still identify the OS fairly easily. At which point it just kinda follows that, yeah, the entered PIN was a duress code, which is a known feature of the OS. Of course, I’m no lawyer, so I’m not sure how hard the rest would be to prove after identifying the OS.
I was a bit talking out of my ass there. Also at this point not even being judicially right protects you I guess.
Looks like GrapheneOS remains clearly “installed” but requires you to use recovery to factory reset before it can boot.
Ah, fair enough.
I don’t see a case here. This is just abuse of power.
So far I haven’t seen anyone comment on the argument that he clearly didn’t destroy anything. He provided a code to other people who entered it and destroyed the system.
It’s a technicality, but this happened in America and God are they big on technicalities
Isn’t that the exact point of the feature? The police are getting upset that people used a feature of an OS for its intended purpose??