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Age Verification is Now Mutating into General ID
https://www.freezenet.ca/age-verification-is-now-mutating-into-general-id/
Surveillance creep is once again striking in the age verification debate. This is happening at the FCC this time.
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There is no “creep” to be found here, this is just the direct consequence of casually endorsing the kinds of ideologies like “the internet is fundamentally bad and we should restrict children from social media”.
There is no slippery slope here, we already dived off the cliff it is just idiots are now beginning to realize they were cheering for jumping off of a literal cliff.
Among other sweeping changes, the era of the burner phone could end with the rollout of new “Know Your Customer” rules voted on by the FCC on April 30, as noted by the blog of the D.C. telecom law firm Wiley Rein. Customers would, according to the proposed rules, have to present a government ID, a physical address, a full legal name, and an existing phone number.
Then how the fuck would someone without a phone number get one???
crimson_irisThis is like the time (5 minutes ago) when I tried to get help from Ubisoft support with my login problem. To contact support, I had to login.
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Oh you sweet summer child. You really have no idea what living under a hostile government actually means. Your “uncensorable” networks work as long as as the state respects people’s freedoms and allows them to exist. It’s easy to be a “rebel” when you have nothing to fear. An ability to freely exchange and access information is what fascist totalitarian governments fear and fights against the hardest.
They won’t even need to break the encryption or censor it or anything. It would just be made illegal, and given that it involves radio transmissions - easily detectable.
southsamuraiYou know, that “sweet summer child” shit is condescending and unnecessary. Maybe don’t be a jerk to people
higgsbosonIt is like aposematic coloration: It lets us know we don’t have to bother reading the rest of the comment.
switcherooWho didn’t see that coming a mile away with flashing lights
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Damn. Who could possibly have seen this coming?
The author gives the situation benefit of the doubt that it does not deserve. It is not “mutating” or “creeping;” the ABSOLUTELY INTENTIONAL, ORIGINAL PURPOSE is simply now becoming more and more obvious, even to the people who desperately want to pretend it isn’t happening.
Can I preorder my satellite linked shock collar?
Oh look, another attack on the freedom of speech that anonymity allows. Here’s hoping “The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.” - John Gilmore
Many of us will. I will quit before I submit to this.
I’m not defending this shit, I’m of course against it, but a true freedom of speech means you should not need to worry about hiding your identity when saying what you think. The law supposed to protect you from any repercussions from the government.
The fact that we do, means that perhaps freedom of speech was taken from us much earlier than that.
The law of the government was supposed to protect us from the government… Something tells me that was never going to work in the long term.
That theory pretty much only works for a limited government with a clear separation of powers and some actual accountability.
Quite right, there’s a scale of freedom of speech and the world is sliding down. The independent media, like newspapers with real journalists went first to the media barons like Murdoch, then we got the internet and some independence returned, along with an anonymous voice for the masses, then facebook et.al. corrupted that independence and controlled the voice with algorithms and network effects, and now this. All downhill.
pretty soon we’ll see an official spec for the header X-Current-User-Social-Security-Number
In plaintext
Unmasking itself.
It was never not this.
Who chose the stock image for this? I haven’t seen that style of phone since I had an LG Vue back in 2009.
That’s the phone you’ll have to go back to using, to stop them identifying you. Their AI can’t understand tech that old
It has a sim card and a mac address. You’ll be tracked.
I’d rather die than use a membrane touch screen again.
It always was going to do this.
Of course it is
Papers are back! As in, “Where are your papers?”.
The cost of living in this world is simply resources paid into the arms race.
For me, I focus on what I want out of my tech services. Learn to build and learn to maintain. There will be ways to mask, spoof and anonymize.
And for sure, although it won’t be today, there will be legislators who move against this trend. This is, and always has been, a matter of legislation. Separation from church and state is now separation of tech and state.
Also I know we all reasonably hate cryptocurrencies but you will for sure be able to use Monero to buy prepaid phones even after it’s illegal, seeing as you can use it to buy illegal guns and drugs now lol
So if it’s just illegal from the seller’s perspective and not illegal to possess, it’d be a pretty easy law to circumvent.
Still, that won’t help the domestic abuse victims and all other people who need burners and aren’t tech savvy.
I emaoled my congresswoman about this. I told her not to support it and why; but more importantly, I told her that anyone with the technical acumen will simply not comply with this law.
That’s the hidden cost of what orange Shitler has unleashed, the debasement of our public institutions. How powerful is a government that is ignored by its constituents?
How unexpected!
Whoa, so can we stop using our social security numbers for everything yet?
not the part of shadowrun i wanted to become reality
Where are the elves?
One does have to wonder which of all the psyops are the three downvoters from. “Totally a Slippery Slope”? “US good China bad”? Israhell? Freeze peach? “Just one more surveillance bro, just the one”?
Just go right for the cattle prod. Have them scan your mark.
Told ya, you fucking systemd simps. It’s all a really fucking wet slope.
systemd has nothing to do with this lmao, if you see this and immediately think “this wouldn’t have happened if we didn’t let systemd discuss putting an age field 2 months ago!!!!!1!” you are severely, severely misled. to stay nice.nvm i’m pretty sure this is just ragebait
Hehe. The people who ignored systemd are the same people who don’t think any of this is a problem. The kind of people who can’t understand that you have to fight this kind of bullshit anytime it pops up or it eventually wins.
It just won.
I’m still trying to figure out how systemd has anything to do with this. Any configurable level user database could have implemented this.
/etc/passwdhas your “Real Name” in it as well. Finger protocol could have been selected to expose this. Literally there’s dozens of different places the age thing could have been implemented. The maintainers of systemd decided to be the first. Hell, MidnightBSD just added a daemon to implement it.Likewise if you’re informed enough you also know there’s a flag to explicitly block it and ways to patch it out. While I’m typically a Slackware and sysvinit type of person, there’s nothing unique about systemd that enabled the shitty law California passed. And fi you really care about privacy, how about less gloat and more information about ways around it, like this fork.
You’ll go a lot further educating folks how to get around the things you perceive as bad rather than whatever your original comment was. The entire point is to get people … on your side.
That the developers chose to add it at the same time as all the age verification stuff was starting is too much of a coincidence. It shows that some developers in important roles will go along with age verification. The systemd thing can be argued the way that it has been but it’s the beginning of the slippery slope
It’d be weird if they added it before the laws were passed, but not that strange to implement it afterwards, but before the deadline.
Exactly. The point is not the technical details of the implementation. The point is that their act of capitulation endorsed the concept.
As Free Software developers, they had an ethical obligation to resist and they didn’t.
People already choose a side. I don’t care to change peoples minds, just mock the morons.
i guarantee you the lawmakers who pass this kind of awful law have no idea what systemd even is or what it does
blaming it (or “systemd simps") for this is a colossal waste of time. the surveillance society has been progressively installed in the imperial core ever since 9/11, age verification and what’s it turning into is a consequence of this, and systemd adding an age field is a consequence of that.
blaming systemd for this shit, even in part, is so bafflingly silly, such a ridiculous example of swapping cause and effect that i can’t imagine you’re doing it sincerely but apparently people agree with this???
that’s like blaming the small creek in your garden for the existence of the raging river upstream. idk.
I’m blaming the PEOPLE who say “no biggie, just a number” who can’t seem to get it through their thick, dumb, argumentative skulls that these kind of things ALWAYS AND WITHOUT EXCEPTION lead to loss of privacy and more authoritarian laws.
There’s a big picture. Stop arguing the tiny points with me and SEE IT.
i agree, that’s why i think talking about systemd here (and arguing wether they want to implement this or not) is a massive distraction
anyways i’m gonna practice what i preach and stop talking about systemd now, enough bytes of online traffic have been spent on this
You’re shooting the messenger. Meta and others are lobbying governments hard for this. They’re the ones causing you to lose your privacy. Not the volunteers that maintain systemd.
Then those volunteers can refuse. But they won’t, because they agree with this direction.
It’s plain as day. You’ll agree with me in a few years.
Thank you for being a voice of reason
It was obvious from the start that enabling DRM and surveillance was the point of systemd all along.
“Everything that contradicts my naive worldview is just ragebait”
Sure, buddy.
We have this app…
Ditch it and use mygov instead. cut out the proprietary middleman who charges everyone out their ass to implement it.
Belgian Mobile ID, een bedrijf dat in het leven geroepen werd door 4 grootbanken (Belfius, BNP Paribas Fortis, ING en KBC) en 3 telecomoperatoren (Proximus, Telenet, Orange) in ons land.
Right, really don’t want to support any of those, even if it’s free.