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2 studies warn 'Day After Tomorrow' ocean current is in trouble
HellsBelleThe potential collapse of a key Atlantic ocean current − due to human-caused climate change − is in the news again.
You’d be hard-pressed to come up with a scarier scenario than what’s going on now with the “Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC),” the fickle Atlantic ocean current whose weakening and eventual collapse could change the climate and weather for hundreds of millions of people.
A pair of new scientific studies detail the present and potential future of the AMOC, which was the ocean current at the center of the fictional (and scientifically inaccurate) “Day After Tomorrow” climate change disaster movie in 2004.
In one study released April 8, scientists at the University of Miami determined that over the past 20 years, the AMOC has already been weakening at four different locations in the Atlantic. In the other study, released April 16, a separate group of European scientists said the AMOC will weaken by 50% by 2100, potentially eventually leading to its “collapse.”
A weakening AMOC means the Atlantic Ocean’s climate‑regulating currents slow down over a period of a few decades, while a collapse means the entire current system crosses a tipping point and mostly shuts down − triggering abrupt, potentially irreversible global climate disruptions.
Studies – https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adx4298
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Climate scientists have been warning about this for at least a decade. They’re just not being heeded.
I remember watching a breakdown of this during Covid lockdowns and then having a full on come apart about it which folks shrugged off
We’ll never be able to fix the climate issue while Trump and millions around the globe go “it was cold here hurhur! What global warming?!”
USA today? No thanks.
Here are the two studies:
Observational constraints project a ~50% AMOC weakening by the end of this century: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adx4298
Meridionally consistent decline in the observed western boundary contribution to the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adz7738
I have very shallow understanding - I thought the gulf stream collapse would only affect Europe - freezing it. Would it also freeze NA?
Also somehow Brazil would become a desert and Sahara back into jungle but not on the same time scale as Europe freezing over.
Not world news, it’s geoblocked for 470 million Europeans.
Yes I could read it with a VPN, but the source is not worth the trouble.
I actually blocked usatoday’s domain because of their bait and switch articles hidden behind pay walls.
fuck em, starve the bitches of clicks while the world burns.
hot_mocha_decafI can’t access this with either Ironfox or Vanadium browsers.
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Do you have a reading mode button at the top? I just enable reading mode (But in Waterfox) and it starts to function without paywalls or popups.
No reader mode button is presented, unfortunately. I use a vpn, but I dont think Ive seen this type of page before from vpn blocking.
I work fine here, but only without VPN activated. With VPN on is does not work and I get the same warninf as you.
Reads for me on fennec with javascript disabled over VPN
Blocking JavaScript gets you round most paywalls and geoblocking
Trump doesn’t believe in climate change, but he won’t be able to escape it.
The working plan is that their wealth + AI will allow them to survive well enough, without having to deal with us pesky poors anymore.
It’s not hard to imagine. Just imagine you had zero moral compass, and all the resources they do. What logically makes sense? No, not taking care of everyone. Bigger fence, not bigger table. And eventually the necessities of life, like not having a drone explode you, will only be availabile behind the fence.
Yes, but for politicians climate change will have a negative effect on the economy which will affect them being elected.
tomiantUnfortunately, neither will we.
True, but if the nonbelievers start to believe, hopefully it will not be too late to do something.
I am not saying this to be defeatist, but let’s say that you might want to invest in a life vest.
This might actually save our skiing conditions here in Norway after all, it looked dire for a while.
IDK if you are joking, but if this pump stops working, Norway is kind of fucked, and will become as hostile to live in as Siberia, and most harbors will become unusable most of the year, as the water will freeze around Norway.
Joking, of course. It would be hell, indeed.
OK, that’s good, but you can’t say of course.
Because Poe’s law is proven every day.
I’ll finally get the weather I live up here for. Sweet.
(it did snow today actually, quite pleasant)
henfredemarsI don’t put too much trust in usatoday to give me trustworthy news on climate topics.
That movie had a great chance to teach the word “overmorrow” into mainstream but yay backward progress (congress)
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I remember The Day After Tomorrow, it was an okay film but it solidified in me the fear of climate change. The movie may not be scientifically accurate, mainly because they got the temperatures backwards. In the movie, the world froze starting at the poles. IRL, it’s going to boil and burn starting from the equator.
Iirc that’s already started. All the growing zones have moved further north or south from where they used to be when I was a kid (back in the early 60’s).
Oh yeah I’ve seen it myself. I’d like to move up north to get ahead of it, but there’s national lines to get across and taking my pets would be difficult at best.
I’ve also been noticing that since I was a kid (90s/00s), back then there was a white winter every singe year in my area. Now we’re lucky if we get any snow at all during winter.
Then I’ll hear some rube say that ‘global warming isn’t real,’ like what bitch?! Have you not been paying attention?!
Of course not.
And we didn’t used to have just the two seasons, winter and everything on fire.
While that is true. If the Atlantic ocean current stops, the poles will freeze, and start a new ice age in northern Europe and North America, while also boiling the equator.
At least northern Asia will be fine
I tiought it was ice age in north europe and heat waves and hurricanes in north america, it carries hot water up north and cold water from the poles down the american east coast.
Except the warming oceans prevent that.
The oceans won’t be warming equally everywhere if there isn’t a proper current to tranport the heat around. The oceans will warm a lot by the equator, and freeze around the poles.
The most frightening climate movie is still “Don’t look up”
No government is going to do anything about something happening after the year 2100.
Exactly! If it doesn’t benefit them publicly before the next election, no government will act.
Honestly just once I wish science was wrong and the horrid thing that’s going to happen in 100 years happens in 6 months. Not even next year. Six fucking months. Let it kill millions. Let it devestate and destroy entire cities in hours. Let it cause mass problems that ends entire nations.
Maybe THEN fucking people will get together stop being shit and actually fucking start taking shit seriously.
Cause it sure fucking feels like ANYTHING smaller then covid and out further then the next quarter is basically ignored forever.
If I’m not mistaken, the movie posited that the temperature collapse is happening faster than we think and accelerated to collapse all at the same time.
The estimate is 2100 but that’s just an estimate. Reality is that it could happen at any time.
At the time of the film’s release, it offered a new theory about what could happen to Earth’s climate in the future. Sure many scientist just laughed to this scenario. The funny thing is that AMOC research started in the same year. All we have is data from 2004 to the present, of course that is not enough to draw conclusions about our future climate.
Earth’s climate is complex, studying AMOC alone is not enough. And one of the biggest problem is that there are other MOCs, not just AMOC, any changes to AMOC will impact other MOCs. And there is a new research called the SAMOC Initiative started 5 yr ago.
There’s nothing scientifically inaccurate about that part IMO. There’s positive feedback loops hiding everywhere. The bad things come in bursts. For example, melting ice releases trapped methane, causing higher temperatures and more melting ice. Who knows how fast this goes
Sorry, but why would we not use the name AMOC and instead call it the “22 year old movie current”?
Probably because most people wouldn’t know what that acronym stood for.
So I guess we’ve just completely given up on how to use acronyms and abbreviations. I’ve noticed that a increasing amount of people will just use them without explaining it, they just expect others will either already know what it means or will do a search and figure it out. As a non-native English speaker it drives me up the wall. I find my self asking what a acronym/abbreviation means at least once per week, sometimes multiple times a week.
I thought that explaining the acronym on the first use, and then using it as is was the common and courteous way to use them, WTF (what the fuck) happened to that, I do wonder.
As a native English speaker, I concur with your feelings on the matter. I absolutely hate when someone does that and sometimes I won’t even bother to finish reading what someone wrote if they just start using acronyms all willy nilly. Hell, you can’t even point out spelling errors or grammar errors anymore without upsetting someone.
I sure as hell don’t
Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation
Rolls right off the tongue.
Just like it does near Greenland
Sure, but “Atlantic” and/or “Ocean” were right there.
What about “Aging Movie is Ominously Current” or AMOC for short?
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Well done, old chap!
Another Menacing Ocean Con?
… It needs to have a title that Americans might actually read.
You know, half a football field, approximately 8 hamburgers, instead of actual measurements?
We’re on average 5th graders, as far as reading ability goes.
Last I saw it was 3rd grade. I would be hyped if it’s still at 5th
For the clicks.
‘Scientist warn that environmental acronym is fucked’ is a headline everyone has learned to tune out.
But if maybe Jake Gyllenhaal can save us.. I mean, now you want to know more, right?
I was really more thinking “Wait…what happened in that movie? Shit, when did I even watch that movie? Like 2007?”
The movie was based loosely on a ’non-fiction’ book written by radio host and conspiracy theorist Art Bell.
So basically, that’s where we are currently with the state of discourse involving environmental science. We are being warned about something of massive significance and dire consequence by way of a reference to a 20 year old Roland Emmerich movie based on a book written by a loonie…
I’m not real hopeful for our chances as a species..
Oh don’t worry, I know all about Art Bell and his book ‘The Coming Global Superstorm.’
Still waiting on that “Quickening” he was talking about all those years ago.
I need a filter to eliminate any science article with quotes in the title
Remember to duck when the helicopters come tumbling down.
Compulsory “If you’ve been paying attention we have known about this and every other catastrophic event since at least the 1970’s. We aren’t listening to the right people.”
Millions if not billions of people are going to be severely at risk and even die. The vast majority of these people will be brown or black. The majority of these people will be children.
We as a species should be ashamed putting the well being of a small few over the majority.
The optimism is we will science our way out of this. Humanity is like a monkeys paw.
So I guess what I’m saying is on the individual level everyone open their eyes don’t be a dick and leave the world better than you came into it. Beyond that, sit back and enjoy the show no one really knows what they’re doing but the majority of us are doing our best.
Maybe a little doomer view.
I wanna point that we did listenen the right people after 1970’s and we pretty much fixed the ozone hole and mitigated acidic rains. Shame we have decited to stop it for some reason.
Also ironically to your statement AMOC effects most the northern europe and there is problem with small birthrate so in this particular catasrophe most people suffering will be white and children will be minority.
Edit; small edit to make the text harder to misunderstand.
In 2100. That’s more than enough time to reboot Friends at least twice. I’m not worried.
It’s the next generations problem, and I ain’t breeding so what do I have to worry about 😂😭
Dogs will still be around and they’re gonna suffer
Ditto cats if you’re a cat lover.
It was shitty the first fucking time. We don’t need to make that crap again.
It will be better this time. There will be a gay Friend, a lesbian friend, a black friend and an Asian Friend. Maybe make the Lesbian a Hispanic, too, and kill two Friends with one stone.
Just spitballing but… Maybe we could kill all of them with a stone?
Guess I’ll bring my parka next time I visit Europe :(
I wonder if it would be possible to set up turbines somewhere to accelerate that current.
Turbines extract energy from flowing fluids. They’d make it worse, if anything.
Oh, I completely misread this comment. I thought they were pitching we should speed things up and make it worse and get it over with 😂
the amount of energy involved in the AMOC exceeds the entire output of our civilization, dude
Powered by what?
A current we don’t like. Or alternatively, whales. Harnessed to the blades.
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Better yet Geothermwhales
Oil.
Oh whew, the picture only shoes the Atlantic Ocean. I’m safe then.
France will fortunately not be affected.
Collapsing this current should be part of EU’s climate goals. If we can’t stop it, lets accelerate it.
Remember that one time the temperature in Europe dropped by around 1.5 degrees and it lead to mass starvation and migration? Imagine that, but much worse and without it going back to normal after a while.
Even if it would work and Europe is fine, it’s still a dick move to do that to the rest of the world. As well as mass migration from hard hit places into Europe leading to an overall bad time for everyone.
But you are kidding right? Right?
Fuck em. They can lower their emissions it they want to prevent it. The army will solve mass migration issue.
(of course I’m kidding but I would like to see how Americans would react to this idea)
If you’re looking for a bottom to American idiocy, you’re going to be disappointed. No low is too low and no ignorance is left uncelebrated.
Calm down everyone, we will be fine
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