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wheezyThe League of Nations condemns Germany for rebuilding their military in violation of international law!
P03 LockeIs Interpol going to arrest them?
No enforcement, no law.
binuxExpecting countries not to violate international law is like expecting a dog to not eat a three-course meal: they won’t when you’re watching and ready to hold them back, but as soon as they know you won’t do much you better believe those dishes will be licked clean.
International law 101: International law does not exist, as it are not laws but agreements nobody is held accountable for.
AngularApartheid in South Africa was ended because nations chose individually to apply sanctions to oppose the inhuman conditions in the country. You don’t need world police to enforce international law, it has meaning and substance through countries choosing to stand up for decency.
Without international law, and rubbishing standards of decency as meaningless without a global world police, leads down a very dark path. The horrors of the mid 20th century, like the holocaust and atrocities committed by Japan, among many other examples, happened under a might makes right mentality. Many international laws about crimes against humanity were a response to this to prevent it being repeated, because it is utterly horrific
DupaCyckiThe problem here is: the UN was specifically designed to have no ability to enforce any laws. It was the only way to even create it in the first place. Otherwise you’d have the US and Russia do everything in their power to either not let the UN form or destroy it afterwards. Just like with the ICC.
We need a new international body, something combining the UN, ICC, and more. But that will only be possible after the US Empire collapses. Russia is a problem too, but it’s too weak to realistically do anything on its own. At best it’ll slow things down.
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well what are they going to do, send a strong worded letter?
Well they have options, they coul…
RUSSIA: VETOED
Oh, well, I guess they could als…
CHINA: VETOED
I guess as a last resort they can at leas…
USA: VETOED
Jokes aside, I strongly believe spreading the unbiased truth has massive power, so I wouldn’t want to be on the badside of an organization with the singular largest investigative capability on earth.
When the stupids figured out nobody would enforce consequences shit took a noise dive. It wasn’t good before but there was slow progress, now they’re just wrecking shit with impunity because the cowards who have the authority to take action say shit like “how could this happen” instead of finding their balls and doing something about it.
The UN needs teeth
The UN needs giant mechs? I agree.
DEMOCRACY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE pewpewpew
Why is no one following international law? I specifically requested it.
Did you say please?
If not, this is all your fault.
You have to declare it.
Considering the 5 countries that were supposed to coordinate in enforcing the rules immediately went for each others throats and that two of them have a competition on who can accumulate more violations of international law, the UN is actually going an amazing job at preventing the world from going up in flames.
I mean, the world is going up in flames. That is a pretty big thing that is happening. Those 5 countries and their mutual defensive pact allies are responsible for a majority of global emissions that are heating the planet to the point of uninhabitability.
Billions of people will die violently, for a large part because if the UN-mediated stability of capitalist global trade and its unlimited industrial capacity to make the planet uninhabitable.
The UN with its veto system has effectively prevented non-permanent UNSC member nations from coming to binding agreements and pushing them on the privileged few. 6 billion people from across the world matter less than 70 million British people, even though India and Pakistan both have nukes too.
It’s not going up in flames specifically because of that and not as quickly as it would without the UN. I’m not saying you’re incorrect and that the UN is without fault, just that your reply isn’t really about the point that was made.
We didn’t start the fire
All it took to dismantle global peace was the children of the original peacemakers asking “but does this serve me?” War was too profitable for the rich to abandon.
What do you mean no enforcement?! Them saying they are concerned IS the enforcement! 🤣
The League of Nations was a precursor to the UN which did include enforcement, it turns out that is really complicated. One description was that collective security:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Nations
The UN has a long history of having this complaint and no-one being willing to enforce international law. It turns out the US (allegedly the world police) doesn’t actually engage in military adventurism for humanitarian reasons, but for colonial ones (which it then tries to justify by pointing to humanitarian crises.)
In the 1980s, GURPS Supers (the superhero supplement to the Generic Universal Role-Playing Game) offered an alternative reality in which high-powered superheroes worked for the United Nations and gave them actual teeth.
It was before the internet and we didn’t have as much cause to be so cynical then.
I would run that campaign, and yes it would be extremely dystopian
Whatcha going to do? Send blue-hats to observe?
White helmets even?
Sure. That…I was half asleep.
Well UN “peacekeepers” wear blue, iirc, so I thought maybe you were speaking about that. I was just commenting on the White Helmets from Syria, who recently showed up in Venezuela. Neither group are loved where they go, but their masters love them, as long as they support the masters’ agendas. Noticing the difference between mission and ostensible mission.
I was talking about UN.
I gathered 😉
Well when you don’t hold the permanent members of the security council responsible for their actions, then of course it’ll be disregarded by those not on it permanently.
Laws are only as good as their enforcement
A toothless tiger doesn’t bite.
international law without consequences is not law it is a wishlist
Might makes right. We forgot for a while. We’re remembering.
The US should be shackled under the rules and auspices of the UN. Force it to provide a % of its military to UN enforcement. Becoming a dog of international rules is the only just way forward for USA
Ridiculous! Let’s place all our hopes and prayers in China instead.
How’s it looking, DRC? Massive ebola outbreak? Shucks.
Maybe they should try what the US does against disasters. Praying 🙏
Idk, I remember Ebola getting the works when Obama was president
Every law is only as good as it’s enforcement.
What a massive waste of money