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To be fair, it is a number I would be curious about because I just want to know. So I looked up the article:
https://www.sciencefocus.com/planet-earth/how-much-does-human-breathing-contribute-to-climate-change
be mad; read headlines; parrot social media; here’s another quote:
In contrast, burning fossil fuels like coal releases CO2 which has been locked up for millions of years, producing a net contribution to global warming.
The article is literally blaming capitalism
Even more important context, right at the top of the article:
Asked by: Peter Thatcher, Lancaster
This was a response to a reader-submitted question to a science magazine.
Everyone raging in the comments here has just blindly read the headline and the deliberately-misleading social post attached, and they’ve decided to be mad instead of using even an ounce of critical thinking. Drives me crazy how much people seem to want to be angry.
Thanks. Keep up the dissecting. It is an important tool to lift the “ragefull” propagandistic discussions back to a reasonable exchange of facts and opinions.
It’s really hard to listen to blue checked accounts posting on social media owned by a trillionaire.
Not to mention while peddling population reduction propaganda on the platform of the dude that had so many kids he had to start labeling them with serial numbers and coincidentally wants to colonise another (uninhabitable) planet.
FiniteBanjoDoesn’t appear to be population control propaganda, he’s saying Capitalism bad. How he defines Capitalism isn’t clear, could be anything from /[non-state controlled manufacturing] to /[the west], or if they’re particularly misinformed they could be using it synonymously with loose regulation, corruption, and monopoly.
Ricky RigatoniHe’s not peddling it he’s refuting it. Did you even reading comprehension skill
Well, you missed a word and a comma, so perhaps we’re not all perfect. Happy Sunday Ricky
I’m certain Ricky hasn’t missed them even a little bit.
DaftyduxIf people were reasonable, Twitter would have died years ago.
𝙈𝙞𝙖No, no they have a point. I feel like if we stopped say roughly 3,428 people from breathing that the world would start to heal.
Erm, I dont think its only the people but the power structures they created. So there is a fair amount of dismantling that has to happen no matter what.
If we got rid of the rich that would mean less people breathing. The solution is obvious.
Well, the only way to “get rid of the rich” is the widespread disbursement of wealth, so actually no.
Nothing. Humans evolved with plants to complete the carbon cycle. Fossil fuels did not evolve, they are burned.
jumping redditor [they/them]fossil fuels are natural, the burning of them in the quantities we do is not.
I quoted an article already but here’s another:
we humans are a significant contributor to global warming. But, in reality, the CO2 we’re breathing out is part of a natural cycle, by which our bodies convert carbohydrates from CO2-absorbing plants into energy, plus water and CO2. As such, we’re not adding any extra CO2.
which fully supports your statement
We’re barely capitalist, it’s all scheming and legal privileges and crime at this point. Even capitalism requires an adherence to a ruleset and the rulers we have do not like following any rules.
explodicleThat’s just typical capitalism. The factors of production are privately owned. It’s not a free market, but capitalism does naturally consolidate power like this.
Millenials and Gen Z are helping to combat this problem by having fewer kids. And yet, Billionaires complain about that, too. Lol.
If we get rid of human breathing we will eventually get rid of man-made climate change.
They’re not desperate. Their system still works and trickle money up.
What they’re doing is preparing you to make monthly payments for air breezing plans.
LucidlethargyIt’s not “capitalism”, it’s corporations with zero governnental or moral limits.
It’s greed, manifest.
morals have no place in a well written legal system
And that shit is called science focus… It hurts.
You know what, I think smoking Crack is a gold standard for, “the media.” It’s quite a crack addict thing to ponder, ya know? How much does human breathing contribute to climate change?
According to the article: it doesn’t, CO2 is part of a natural carbon cycle predating industries.
I don’t think theres a socioeconomic system that allows 9 billion people to live a modern life on earth without climate change. I vote we renew the USAID program that shipped condoms to the middle east and we make college free for women everywhere, that should about fix it.
EDIT: And normalize meat only being an occasional meal instead of twice daily.
You should work for the New York Times lmao.
Known Tankie bootsucker, licker, tickler Alcholicorn accusing me of Propaganda, how quaint.
Wait you weren’t doing a bit, imitating a NYT columnist whitewashing fascism?
Alright, I’ll bite, how is free medical and education (and importantly taxing industry and the wealthy) “whitewashing fascism”?
Starting from a premise of “There’s too many humans”, blaming a poorer country for having too many children, then cleaning it up with things palatable to the average NYT reader is exactly how they do it.
The premise is the premise whether you like it or not, pal. You Tankies have been really weird about this issue ever since China, the largest polluter on earth, announced a reversal of their population policies and started promoting growth.
I’d like to see a meme where a fat capitalist sits and farts, and behind him are factories that can damage the planet’s climate a million times more in a week than millions of people in hundreds of years, or maybe thousands and tens of thousands of years, if not millions. Wait a minute… I remembered the video of Trump and the man who involuntarily winced while sitting behind Trump.
While the premise from the headline is ridiculous, considering the contribution to CO2 emissions caused by human metabolism is not.
Humans don’t have a good efficiency, compared to e.g. a electric motor.
Also, the “fuel” used by humans itself typically already comes with a gigantic CO2 burden.
That’s also the reason that biking without electric assistance is not quite as carbon neutral as most people believe.
Putting it this way: The primarily meat-based overconsumption prevalent in many western countries offers many opportunities to significantly reduce CO2.
A single Big Mac can power a gaming PC for 2 hours, a Tesla for ~2.5 miles, or a moderately active human for 6 hours.
It could also take an e bike anywhere from 25-50 miles depending on the rider, terrain, and other factors.
I don’t know if I’d say we’re “inefficient”…but we also don’t carry around 1000lbs of batteries…even in America.
There was capitalism in the 17th century. How about blaming the massive consumption of 8 billion people?
I was drinking heavily at 21 and was in tip-top physical condition.
Based on the pattern of, well, everything else, the most benefit would come if the billionaires stop breathing first.
Pretty sure you’ll find scientific evidence supporting this stance.
Scientist here. It’s true.
LogicalDrivelIve written it down, so it must be scientific.
capitalists:
people arent having enough babies! we need you in the office 24/7! your breathing is causing global warming! produce value and then die you pieces of shit!
So, on the face of it, we humans are a significant contributor to global warming. But, in reality, the CO2 we’re breathing out is part of a natural cycle, by which our bodies convert carbohydrates from CO2-absorbing plants into energy, plus water and CO2. As such, we’re not adding any extra CO2. In contrast, burning fossil fuels like coal releases CO2 which has been locked up for millions of years, producing a net contribution to global warming.
I guess you could’ve been less angry if you were able to read past the first paragraph
Over the years, I’ve put on a few pounds. The way I figure it, I’m sequestering carbon.
I’m always looking for logical reasons to stay plump.
I’m adding this one to my short list.
Easier to float in water. Less likely to drown.
Easier to not die of hypothermia
Hard seats are less hard with tush cush
Animals seem to like plump humans more (maybe they assume we know where the food is).
Lower carbon footprint.
But those are only half truths. They’re omitting the fact, that a lot of the biomass we’re eating comes from farming. Those plants that collect carbon dioxide from the atmosphere use a lot of synthetic fertilizers to grow, which itself uses A LOT of fossil energy to be produced. A lot of that plant biomass is fed to livestock to produce different kinds of foods that the marketTM demands, while emitting methane and ammonia and nitrous oxides, some of which are far worse greenhouse gasse, than CO2.
And then there’s the whole issue of food waste and bullshit products you can buy at the supermarket that might contribute a little bit to your ability to exhale CO2 but come with insane amounts of useless packaging (made from petrol, and the best case scenario for them is, that they’re going to be burned in a waste incinerator later).
People breathing is breaking the natural carbon cycle in lots of places, and part of the problem is, that they are being fed by capitalism.
They’re omitting the fact, that a lot of the biomass we’re eating comes from farming. Those plants that collect carbon dioxide from the atmosphere use a lot of synthetic fertilizers to grow, which itself uses A LOT of fossil energy to be produced.
The CO2 emissions per calorie of food varies almost 3 whole orders of magnitude between different food types:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ghg-kcal-poore
At the same time, our CO2 exhalation is about the same per calorie of food, regardless of source. So it’s more fair to describe our baseline biological needs and bodily functions separately from our economic consumption of the products we prefer to consume (food or otherwise).
So I still think the focus on the raw calorie count of our consumption (and the accompanying CO2 exhalation) obscures, rather than explains, how our food consumption contributes to climate change.
I agree with everything you’re saying.
I think it should have been clear from my text, that imho the issue lies in food production rather than food consumption and that what kinds of food you’re eating and how it was produced is the part of this issue, that you have some control over. I mean, consumers can’t buy what “the marketTM” don’t offer and yadda yadda yadda, but at least you can do more about it than about the fact, that you need to breathe at all. (Apart from drastic measures, that I neither expect nor recommend)
The CO2 we breath out is recycled from carbon that is already on the Earth’s surface. But much of the food we eat relies on fertilizer synthesized using fossil methane. That fossil methane is added to the atmosphere during production of synthetic fertilizer.
Only people relying on food from synthetic fertilizer contribute to global warming, but that includes almost everyone because food labels don’t mention it.
Food producers do not tell us how much fossil emissions are required to make the food they sell us.
I mean sure, breathing isn’t the problem, but all that breathing leads to humans continuing to burn things so that they can have easier lives.
Ultimately, breathing does lead to a polluted world. In a very technical sense.
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To be fair to them, it’s a reader’s question, and the answer says that in reality, the CO2 we’re breathing out is part of a natural cycle, by which our bodies convert carbohydrates from CO2-absorbing plants into energy, plus water and CO2. As such, we’re not adding any extra CO2. In contrast, burning fossil fuels like coal releases CO2 which has been locked up for millions of years, producing a net contribution to global warming.
Source: https://www.sciencefocus.com/planet-earth/how-much-does-human-breathing-contribute-to-climate-change
Soooo… it still sounds to me like you’re saying that breath from people who burn more fossil fuels has an outsized impact?
I feel like this just proves my point around needing to prioritize who stops.
To be fair to us, they didn’t have to answer the question. It was a choice.
Ah yes where every single publication simply must be the machinations of the capitalist class pulling the puppet strung editors of all news organisations everywhere simultaneously never failing in their aim to keep blame of climate change away from capitalism.
OR
The BBC is choosing to answer a dumb question with scientific rigior to show that “no, breathing out does not contribute to climate change” because some portions of the general public are really gullable and actually asked this question.
But the bottom line is whilst this is a truly idiotic question I’d rather those people asked it because it means there’s still a spark of curiosity and desire to learn rather than live in ignorance.
Yes, agreed on those two points.
This is grim. Seriously. This article only contributes to thiel’s and altman’s transhumanism ideology.
Just to point out, Sam Altman invested heavily to a technology to be developed that his brain would be digitalised and set to live forever before he dies. It’s just sad that people enable this shit happening for money.
the one thing that kept coming to mind as i reviewed the epstein files was how much money it took to buy island and several gov’ts at the same time and for decades.
what kind of world would be living in if all that wealth wasn’t spend on enabling baby factories to send to child-fuck-island so that the rich and powerful can engage in depravities that most of us are too scared to imagine.
First thing I thought of:
spaceballs was a such a classic
Was?
haha I suppose it still very much is
they want us to stop breathing
Some people, by continuing to breath, have an outsized effect compared to others.
Clearly the issue here is just prioritizing who stops breathing.
Exactly this. Clearest example of ecofascism I’ve ever seen.
Capitalism is holding back on more environmentaly friendly power generation for maximum profit.