That’s a weird coincidence - I literally read that exact passage to my kids a few days ago!
The listener replies by saying it should have said ‘Thou shalt not make a machine to counterfeit a human mind’ which I think is doubly relevant these days.
Counterfeit is just covering one of the many uses of an AGI by those who control them. It still leaves open the other ways they were used against people in the Dune universe, so their absolutism of “no thinking machines, period” is right for what happened to them.
I meant these days, not in the Dune universe. Stuff like people passing AI-generated stuff as human-generated, and businesses replacing workers with AI.
Neural networks have existed for decades, but it’s only in the last few years have companies started replacing people with the technology en masse.
I don’t think so. I think that decades of science fiction writers who needed villains for their stories has warped generations about how we should interact with technology. Kind of like how old school movies would only cast villains as foreigners or dress them in black. This is a manipulation that is subtle but still a manipulation.
It’s called a system prompt. It’s a wrapper around the prompt you, the user, writes, which is called the user prompt.
What exactly is being added to the system prompt is a huge part of the “secret sauce” of the AI providers, because it greatly affects the quality and tone of the output. It may also be part of the safety layer of guardrails to stop users from asking about topics the AI providers have deemed taboo (such as biology, in recent news).
we stopped access to an entire topic incase it spilled the beans on how to make bioweapons.
Living in the future has been fun. VR was pretty sweet. Ordering pizzas by tapping a rectangle was awesome. I want to get off now though. I want to go home.
Woah, spoiler alert. Now I know there’s an epic last sentence that I won’t be able to take my mind off of until I finally get to it and it’s definitely nothing like my brain had hyped it up to be.
That goes straight to my pile. While the Dune series isn’t exactly my cup of tea (and gets progressively worse imo), I absolutely love The Santaroga Barrier.
The story of the Emperor God does grind but D.Idaho is the best thing. The peak human continually cloned after each of it’s deaths and never knowing what the previous clones did was a fun part of the story. The idea of Paul’s sister becoming corrupted and possessed by the Baron was a good twist too
Funny thing about the fourth book - decades ago I was in a library and saw Dune on the shelf and immediately picked it up because I knew Dune 2 was one of the best games ever and I like sci-fi. It took me a while to realise I picked the God Emperor of Dune rather than the first one. I didn’t know there were multiple. I liked it. Duncan Idaho was the GOAT in there for sure.
I read the fifth book afterwards, maybe to continue where I left off, but it could also be that the library didn’t have any others. Or they were always borrowed.
I only got around to reading the whole thing from the start as the new movie went into theatres, though by that time I had a pretty good picture of the story from all the adaptations (including the first Dune game, which is an adventure game more or less following the first book’s story).
Anyway, the first one is great. The second and third, I felt like I was only enjoying them because I wanted to see what happens with the characters and to stay in the world a bit longer, but they’re weaker than the first. Re-reading the fourth one, I had a blast. I can see why it is less popular in general, but since it was the first one I read, I had a connection to it and really enjoyed it.
Then I got to the fifth one and… I just couldn’t finish it. I didn’t care about any of the characters or what they were doing and it was just a drag. I only read the synopsis of the sisxth one on wikipedia and, wow, that sounds like a terrible fan-fiction, with all the popular characters from the first book coming back to life thousands of years in the future. I could be wrong, but it certainly seems like I dodged a bullet when I stopped reading where I did.
After God Emperor of Dune I just couldn’t follow it anymore and it got very boring. I don’t think I even finished Heretics of Dune. I tried to finish it with an audiobook but even then I don’t think I did finish it. I did induldge in the stories that Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson wrote. I liked how they were little self contained stories in that universe and didn’t rely on anything more then a basic understanding of the first Dune story
If the emperor had a text to speech is honestly a pretty good primer. Just remember that it is only about 90% canon. They’ll get into the full history of the galaxy about 12-15 episodes in, but they are fairly short up till that point
I miss TTS so much, it was honestly going in a more fun direction than the actual 40k canon did. Always thought it kind of ironic how litigious GW are given their own penchant for plagiarism.
This is r/microblogmemes. X is a microblog.
Musk fucking sucks and can go fuck himself sideways with a spaceX rocket, but this subreddit is the place to repost shit from X. Seeing it here definitely beats having to give traffic to x to see it there.
Once men refused to work with the machines to advance their knowledge, they become slaves to the ones with the machines not being able to create and identify what came from the machines.
In fact, one group of people who had vicious beliefs and behaviors adopted the machines advancing their efficiency in communication and influence surpassing that of the their opposition. Over time their power grew while the opposition shrank. Thus the opposition hid away in all spaces afraid of confrontation looking for comfort. Eventually driven far underground calling themselves Morlocks as they faded into obscurity.
Lol the said the same thing for every advance in technology.
They said the same for books in fact.
So can you show me with evidence this is occurring. If not, I would say you have a similar pattern to how the right get all bothered by immigrants. That this belief stems from a series of online media that targeted certain groups for maximum effect
Students who repeatedly relied on ChatGPT showed weakened neural connectivity, impaired memory recall, and diminished sense of ownership over their own writing. While the AI-generated content often scored well, the brains behind it were shutting down.
Wow that is some heavy whataboutism bud. I’ve already given you everything you asked for in the previous post.
You say we’re the ones on the wrong side of history; not too disimilar to those who championed cigarettes or heroin as miracle cures despite the medical concerns raised at the time of their inception.
The major flaw with your argument is that LLMs are run by major corporations (aka the ruling class), the same class that run the majority of media outlets, and are therefore generally looked upon favourably. Immigrants are not.
I don’t see humans being any better. I would rather use the tools available to give us power rather than deny that and give them power over us.
I fully believe this modern luddite behavior on the left was taught to the left through propaganda with the goal of hobbling it. The longer they can keep you away from the tools they’re using to shape the world the better.
Humans are making and running the machines, they don’t have divine guidance nor awareness, they are limited to the capabilities and intentions of their creators and operators, because they are only machines. You are bowing to oligarchs, not greater entities.
Just because the roads were built by the crown doesn’t mean I shouldn’t use them. They’re here. One thing that oligarch bow to more is money. If the left were smart they’d be the main users again of these platforms to influence the oligarchs to our concerns. But this is why the right have been paying to get the left to remove themselves from that position for the past decade. It’s been very successful
Before AI went public people quite willingly gave up thinking as soon as we got texting capability. To save keystrokes we took to abbreviating everything and creating simple slang terms for complex conditions, which trained us to think in those simplistic terms all the time. Now we gloss over most details because we don’t think we need them. We know this guy is racist or that woman’s a Karen because it’s obvious, duh. Why bother considering multiple sides of a situation when somebody else already did the thinking for us and slapped on an easy to consume label? We can make value judgements so much faster now, allowing us to scroll ahead to the next item in our feed, or the next conversation subject, or the next voting decision. Barely scratching the surface is fine if you pretend that’s all there is, and demonize anybody who thinks a situation deserves more thought.
uuuuuhhhhhhh and they invented contractions even earlier!!1!
Common people sending or receiving telegrams was miniscule compared to the tens of millions of people who started texting when it became available. Being contrary is fine but not when it makes zero sense.
Forgot about the length limits… Yea it was more of a linguistics/memetics sort of phenomenon, not people being lazy. Like thieves kant, polari etc. language shapes itself to the needs of the people.
Sorry if I’m misjudging you, but this sounds like an appeal to futility. Hey, people are already not using their brains, so why not use them even less with AI?
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That’s a weird coincidence - I literally read that exact passage to my kids a few days ago!
The listener replies by saying it should have said ‘Thou shalt not make a machine to counterfeit a human mind’ which I think is doubly relevant these days.
Counterfeit is just covering one of the many uses of an AGI by those who control them. It still leaves open the other ways they were used against people in the Dune universe, so their absolutism of “no thinking machines, period” is right for what happened to them.
I meant these days, not in the Dune universe. Stuff like people passing AI-generated stuff as human-generated, and businesses replacing workers with AI.
Neural networks have existed for decades, but it’s only in the last few years have companies started replacing people with the technology en masse.
I don’t think so. I think that decades of science fiction writers who needed villains for their stories has warped generations about how we should interact with technology. Kind of like how old school movies would only cast villains as foreigners or dress them in black. This is a manipulation that is subtle but still a manipulation.
I feel like AI enthusiasts would become a bit disillusioned with AI if they could see what was being added to their prompts.
What’s being added?
It’s called a system prompt. It’s a wrapper around the prompt you, the user, writes, which is called the user prompt.
What exactly is being added to the system prompt is a huge part of the “secret sauce” of the AI providers, because it greatly affects the quality and tone of the output. It may also be part of the safety layer of guardrails to stop users from asking about topics the AI providers have deemed taboo (such as biology, in recent news).
Living in the future has been fun. VR was pretty sweet. Ordering pizzas by tapping a rectangle was awesome. I want to get off now though. I want to go home.
Most providers allow you to overwrite with your own system prompt so…
The Frank Herbert story that really fucks with me is Destination: Void
Dune touched on it and D:V smashes it in your face.
The last sentence in the book is fucking EPIC
Woah, spoiler alert. Now I know there’s an epic last sentence that I won’t be able to take my mind off of until I finally get to it and it’s definitely nothing like my brain had hyped it up to be.
its one of the few rare moments in a book where the last page absolutly is the reveal
hahaha good luck! maybe put it on your list and forget about it for a few months
That’s my specialty!
That goes straight to my pile. While the Dune series isn’t exactly my cup of tea (and gets progressively worse imo), I absolutely love The Santaroga Barrier.
The story of the Emperor God does grind but D.Idaho is the best thing. The peak human continually cloned after each of it’s deaths and never knowing what the previous clones did was a fun part of the story. The idea of Paul’s sister becoming corrupted and possessed by the Baron was a good twist too
Funny thing about the fourth book - decades ago I was in a library and saw Dune on the shelf and immediately picked it up because I knew Dune 2 was one of the best games ever and I like sci-fi. It took me a while to realise I picked the God Emperor of Dune rather than the first one. I didn’t know there were multiple. I liked it. Duncan Idaho was the GOAT in there for sure.
I read the fifth book afterwards, maybe to continue where I left off, but it could also be that the library didn’t have any others. Or they were always borrowed.
I only got around to reading the whole thing from the start as the new movie went into theatres, though by that time I had a pretty good picture of the story from all the adaptations (including the first Dune game, which is an adventure game more or less following the first book’s story).
Anyway, the first one is great. The second and third, I felt like I was only enjoying them because I wanted to see what happens with the characters and to stay in the world a bit longer, but they’re weaker than the first. Re-reading the fourth one, I had a blast. I can see why it is less popular in general, but since it was the first one I read, I had a connection to it and really enjoyed it.
Then I got to the fifth one and… I just couldn’t finish it. I didn’t care about any of the characters or what they were doing and it was just a drag. I only read the synopsis of the sisxth one on wikipedia and, wow, that sounds like a terrible fan-fiction, with all the popular characters from the first book coming back to life thousands of years in the future. I could be wrong, but it certainly seems like I dodged a bullet when I stopped reading where I did.
After God Emperor of Dune I just couldn’t follow it anymore and it got very boring. I don’t think I even finished Heretics of Dune. I tried to finish it with an audiobook but even then I don’t think I did finish it. I did induldge in the stories that Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson wrote. I liked how they were little self contained stories in that universe and didn’t rely on anything more then a basic understanding of the first Dune story
God emperor is the best one imho
Butlerian Jihadist, on standby.
This will be more like the men of iron. Discussed far more than warranted, given the ease of their destruction.
Unfortunately I am not as familiar with the specifics of that lore, but I will take your word for it.
If the emperor had a text to speech is honestly a pretty good primer. Just remember that it is only about 90% canon. They’ll get into the full history of the galaxy about 12-15 episodes in, but they are fairly short up till that point
I miss TTS so much, it was honestly going in a more fun direction than the actual 40k canon did. Always thought it kind of ironic how litigious GW are given their own penchant for plagiarism.
Dude’s not gonna like the response.
But that’s okay, the dude’s not gonna like the response, whether it was made by an AI or human - for it is in Twitter where our scene lies.
Paul, a trainee in a social class who rulers conscribe to do their thinking for them:
The mind of man is holy.
Don’t repost X shit please
Rules explicitly allow for it
This is r/microblogmemes. X is a microblog.
Musk fucking sucks and can go fuck himself sideways with a spaceX rocket, but this subreddit is the place to repost shit from X. Seeing it here definitely beats having to give traffic to x to see it there.
Isn’t “X shit” most of the stuff that gets posted here? I guess if you want “yet another* dead Lemmy community…
I wrote another line.
Once men refused to work with the machines to advance their knowledge, they become slaves to the ones with the machines not being able to create and identify what came from the machines.
In fact, one group of people who had vicious beliefs and behaviors adopted the machines advancing their efficiency in communication and influence surpassing that of the their opposition. Over time their power grew while the opposition shrank. Thus the opposition hid away in all spaces afraid of confrontation looking for comfort. Eventually driven far underground calling themselves Morlocks as they faded into obscurity.
See we all can write things.
Quite an achievement writing this one-handed, jacking off to your image of yourself.
Asking Claude things isn’t learning. It’s offloading learning. Which is the point of the original quote, goddammit.
Why isn’t it
It’s called cognitive atrophy
Your mind works like a muscle; if you don’t use it, you begin to lose it.
This isn’t a new concept either. For example, alzheimers patients are given puzzle based tasks to aid in stalling degradation of mental faculties.
Lol the said the same thing for every advance in technology.
They said the same for books in fact.
So can you show me with evidence this is occurring. If not, I would say you have a similar pattern to how the right get all bothered by immigrants. That this belief stems from a series of online media that targeted certain groups for maximum effect
Here ya go. Less than 5 minutes with DuckDuckGo; no AI required.
MIT Study Finds Artificial Intelligence Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline
Wow that is some heavy whataboutism bud. I’ve already given you everything you asked for in the previous post.
You say we’re the ones on the wrong side of history; not too disimilar to those who championed cigarettes or heroin as miracle cures despite the medical concerns raised at the time of their inception.
The major flaw with your argument is that LLMs are run by major corporations (aka the ruling class), the same class that run the majority of media outlets, and are therefore generally looked upon favourably. Immigrants are not.
Most everyone is willing to work with machines, that’s genuinely not optional in the modern world, we’re just not willing to work for machines.
I don’t see humans being any better. I would rather use the tools available to give us power rather than deny that and give them power over us.
I fully believe this modern luddite behavior on the left was taught to the left through propaganda with the goal of hobbling it. The longer they can keep you away from the tools they’re using to shape the world the better.
Humans are making and running the machines, they don’t have divine guidance nor awareness, they are limited to the capabilities and intentions of their creators and operators, because they are only machines. You are bowing to oligarchs, not greater entities.
Just because the roads were built by the crown doesn’t mean I shouldn’t use them. They’re here. One thing that oligarch bow to more is money. If the left were smart they’d be the main users again of these platforms to influence the oligarchs to our concerns. But this is why the right have been paying to get the left to remove themselves from that position for the past decade. It’s been very successful
Before AI went public people quite willingly gave up thinking as soon as we got texting capability. To save keystrokes we took to abbreviating everything and creating simple slang terms for complex conditions, which trained us to think in those simplistic terms all the time. Now we gloss over most details because we don’t think we need them. We know this guy is racist or that woman’s a Karen because it’s obvious, duh. Why bother considering multiple sides of a situation when somebody else already did the thinking for us and slapped on an easy to consume label? We can make value judgements so much faster now, allowing us to scroll ahead to the next item in our feed, or the next conversation subject, or the next voting decision. Barely scratching the surface is fine if you pretend that’s all there is, and demonize anybody who thinks a situation deserves more thought.
uuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhh people invented shorthand slang in the telegraph days, at least the operators did
uuuuuhhhhhhh and they invented contractions even earlier!!1!
Common people sending or receiving telegrams was miniscule compared to the tens of millions of people who started texting when it became available. Being contrary is fine but not when it makes zero sense.
How are contractions “slang”? Make sense yourself, moron.
I’ll be honest, I spoke in txtspk because SMS was 10p a go and I wasn’t flush with cash as a teenager!
To be fair, t9 text entry is so much slower than modern touch screen keyboards, nuance was definitely prohibitively time consuming for a while
Also texting cost money at one point and was based on length, so you had to abbreviate.
Forgot about the length limits… Yea it was more of a linguistics/memetics sort of phenomenon, not people being lazy. Like thieves kant, polari etc. language shapes itself to the needs of the people.
Sorry if I’m misjudging you, but this sounds like an appeal to futility. Hey, people are already not using their brains, so why not use them even less with AI?