RetroFedAdvanced media literacy
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[purple, happy]
You know how sometimes you don’t want to keep consuming media after finding out who wrote it?
[blue, a finger raised]
Sure, people would say you’re having a hard time separating the art from the artist
[purple, distraught]
Well the other day I was reading this book called “Mein Kampf” which was alright, then I looked up the author’s bio on Wikipedia and… damn
[blue, blasé]
…
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it’s a shit book even on its own merits so if purple liked it they likely got some biases confirmed by it 😬
I’ve never read it, but my understanding is that I’m in good (and bad) company, because almost nobody has read it. Even in Nazi Germany, people only bought it because they were expected to own a copy, and they didn’t read it. Supposedly, it’s not well organized and hard to read, in general, even in its original language. People bought a copy and kept it in their homes to show loyalty, similar to how they’d have a portrait of Hitler.
Modern AFD voters don’t read their parties program either so there’s that
I’ve attempted to read it. It’s not good. Like not even just talking about the subject matter. It really is just poorly laid out in poorly written. I only managed to make it about a quarter of the way through before I had to set it down because it was just giving me a headache.
Turns out he was failed writer in addition to being a failed artist.
Huh, my pattern recognition is hitting me with Crowder, Shapiro, and Yiannopoulos. Wonder what that means.
AFAIK, he dictated it.
You don’t understand, the translation doesn’t properly convey some of the climactic conclusions. You have to read it in the original Aramaic to really understand it
I was in a used book store and they had a copy of Mein Kampf that had been printed in Nazi Germany, wrapped in a plastic protective bag with a tag that read “Do Not Open - Ask For Help.”
It was probably to keep people from getting their greasy fingerprints on an old book, but I like to think the admonishment had a double meaning.
I’d be curious how they got the book in the first place because if I owned a used book store I’m not touching that without a very good reason. You can’t in good conscience sell it, because any private collector who wants it is 99.99999% of the time a terrible person and should be kicked out of the store; it’s probably not something a museum is interested in even as a donation; and destroying it feels a bit too… I don’t know, it wouldn’t be wrong to destroy it but the irony is too thick for me.
You don’t need Wikipedia to know that mein Kampf is from a nazi. You could separate Hitler from most of his early art but not his political art. It’s literally called “MY” struggle. He is going to mention himself a few times.
It’s actually more “my battle” than “my struggle”. Not that this matters much. But the latter sounds more like Adolf’s personal struggles with his job, wife, life and all 😁
The whole beginning is autobiographical. It’s more than just a few times
It’s quite a struggle
‘Mein Kampf’ isn’t art. It’s non-fiction, at least insofar as the writer believed it to be describing the real world. ‘Separate the art from the artist’ doesn’t apply to non-fiction.
Ever wish your racist uncle’s thanksgiving rant was put into book form? Now there’s Mein Kampf! No coherent thoughts, just pure ranting!
Mein kampf sucks. I don’t understand this comic.
I think it’s meant to be criticising people who just say “separate the art from the artist” for things like Harry Potter, but them pointing out the hypocrisy with a book that no one can defend because of who wrote it. That’s my take, anyway
Yeah but the point of the saying “separate the art of the artist” is that it’s difficult to reconcile a piece of media you would otherwise like with the fact the artist is a POS.
Basically everyone agrees Mein Kampf sucks, even Nazis only like it performatively. So there’s no reconciliation necessary if you don’t like the media anyway. OP’s comic feels like a miss, the obvious strawman doesn’t even says he likes it just that it’s alright so it barely even fits the saying anyway.
Yea mein kampf doesn’t need a evil writer to be evil. It would be evil if it was anonymous or ghost written. Other art by Hitler would have been a better argument as it is just a picture of a city or building and doesn’t have any racist or antisemitic content but still is stained by him in its story.
I think the joke is that the guy is unwittingly outing himself as a Nazi. He thought it was great until he learned the author’s reputation.
I know, but the book has a reputation to suck big time, and the character says it was alright which makes it confusing. Also everyone knows who wrote it.
nsfw
https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-iron-dream/d13f3bdb606d4429
One of the most mind fucking books ever written.
The forward explains that Adolph Hitler came to the USA in 1921 and became a science fiction illustrator. Eventually, he shifted to writing and this book is his master piece.
I can separate the art from the artist. for example I like the monster hunter series by Larry Corriea, and the Kildar series by John Ringo. Both are massive right wing dumbasses. So I consume their content, I just make sure to never pay for it so they never get a dime from me.
On a side note, if you want a good laugh,you really should read Ringo’s 2008 novel “The Last Centurion.”
It’s his take on a global environmental catastrophe and how a poorly substituted Hillary Clinton clone bungles the whole thing.
The best part is he’s come damn close to predicting how the Trump administration works right now. It’s fuckin’ hilarious!
Speaking of which, I was listening to this band called Lost Prophets the other day. I think their music is really good! Have you guys ever heard of them?
One day I had a memory that there was some popular band back in high school and I wanted to find them again and have a nostalgia listen. I had no idea until years (decades) later
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There’s nothing wrong with reading mein kampf until you start considering it art.
You shouldn’t and cannot separate the art from the artist. That’s not how art works.
Sometimes you can and sometimes you can’t. That’s how it works ;)
Then you don’t understand art.
You can however like and dislike different things an artist and an art does. Its just siloing the stuff you dislike away as if the context never matters is simply wilful ignorance.
You can. I think what you’re referring to is that you can get a deeper meaning of the art by learning about the artist, but you can still separate the art.
This comic is a perfect example. You can separate Mein Kampf from the artist, and guess what? It’s still a terrible piece of art. Bingo bango, all it took was media literacy.
If you couldn’t separate the art from the artist to dismiss art then you would be saying that if someone has evil beliefs their soul is evil and they are not capable of creating good art. Which is a heinous belief. Bad people can make good art.
Why? I totally don’t care who made it, when I like what is made.
So, teach me the ways of the art and how it works, please.
An artist is not a machine who just prints stuff. When an artist makes something, regardless of what it is they’re making, their feelings, experiences, teachings, worldview, and personal beliefs/opinions shape the art they make.
If you take those things away you have an AI generator. No music, writing, poetry, rapping, drawing, painting, or even corporate logo design can exist without the events, influences, and decisions of the one making these things.
No. But I didn’t question that. I just don’t care if this music I like was made by AI, Adolf Hitler or Or two gay penguins. I value art for what it is to me, not what someone wants it to be. I don’t look behind the curtain.
Nah. I am the living proof. I consume the front, pay for it (mostly) and everyone is happy. And behold! The artist is still there, even without me caring. Might he do whatever he does to create the stuff I like.