Free Speech Crackdown: Germany Deports Bob Vylan Frontman for Anti-Israel Chants

I think they’re jealous of israel

But framing this as a “Free Speech Crackdown” is a very British/US take on our laws.

Well yeah. When you outlaw dissent within a country and train people to never go against the government. Naturally the ones who stand up against it are going to be people from outside that country. In other words, people who are brainwashed to accept their country don’t see the bad things their country does, as bad. That’s why freedom of speech and freedom of opinion is important, and why people fight for it. When the government steps in to control speech and control narratives about themselves, they can weaponize that to force narratives about themselves and make people accept it or else. Germany already does this shit.

The Israeli army is not a group that can be discriminated upon. It is an army engaged in occupation and therefore subject to legitimate armed violence by the occupied parties per the UN Charter.

the issue is that by framing calling the end of the apartheid enforcement mechanism of an ethnostate as discrimination, Germany has normalized and sanewashed a genocidal ethnostate. further, the tying of Jewish identity in Germany to the modern settler colonial project of Israel is harmful to the Jewish diaspora: it does the opposite of Germany’s stated aims. there are many kinds of Jew in the world, but by deferring all discussion of Jewish identity to an Ashkenazi supremacist entity, Germany has committed themselves to a political position of only recognizing those Jews who are themselves the most like Germans from the ~1600 years of central European contact.

the only part of your comment i really accept as a useful reframe is that it sounds like you’re right. this isn’t a free speech crackdown. you haven’t had the freedom to hear about the true meaning of Jewish identity in at least 90 years, and so you switched, as a society, from the militaristic anti-semitic position that Jews have no place in your modern society to the militaristic zionist position that Jews have no place in your modern society.

Germany do not force yoy to defend isrsel though yet the fediverse is full of geman defending zionism

I think you make a very good point that Germany has always been anti free-speech thus this is not a “crackdown”.

Also the really funny business in there is how the IDF is somehow a protected group but not, for example, the Russian Army (when was the last time that an Ukranian was denied entry in Germany for voicing a desire for the death of the Russian Army?!).

Of course, if we dig down further, we end with IDF being representative of Israel, a nation which according to the German Authorities represents the Jewish People. This last bit is what’s really interesting: you see, plenty of Jews have very explicitly said that “Israel does not represent me”, so here we are with Germany, once again, telling Jews what Jews are supposed to be like, not to mention the small detail that believing that a nation represents an entire ethnicity (especially when most of them don’t even live there) requires one to believe that “they’re all the same” about that etnicity (otherwise it would represent “some” but not “all”, hence being against Israel would not be the same as being against the Jewish People), in other words, the good old traditional German “Jews are all the same” trope used to justify exterminating an entire people.

No matter which way you follow the logical chain you end up with Germany still being more Authoritarian than most of Europe and still being very big on treating people differently depending on their ethnicity, i.e. Racial Discrimination.

That Germany still operates on the same foundations as in the “good old days” - “the use of force to silence dissent is right” and “race dictates how people should be treated” - explains how easy it was for AfD to rise and is seriously worrisome for the rest of Europe.

The people posting here that Germany is still Nazi, are at least partially correct: Germany still operates based on the exact same principles on how it’s acceptable to use the force of the state to silence people, that race is what defines how people should be treated and that certain races are “good” and others are “bad”, all at a level so extreme that even Genocidal mass murdering of children is acceptable when done by those of a “good” race.

The IDF absolutely is Israel. Israel has a conscription so most citizens in Israel are active participants in the genocide of the Palestinian people. Not to mention the state of Israel is an illegal settler-colonial apartheid state so all Israelis in Israel are living on stolen Palestinian land.

However some of the strongest supporters of Palestinians have been Jewish people of all forms, including a few Israelis.

(IDF == Israel) != Jewish people

And I’m just saying that because people will later point to this case and say “Eu Is An OpPreSsIvE StaTe!”. >

If the messages they don’t agree with are these calling out an ongoing genocide where thousand of kids are being murdered EU is much worst than an oppressive state.

Alright I’ll bite. First of all, no one gives a fuck about what Andrew Tate has to say. He’s documented raping and facilitating the rape of children.

Edit: no one is acting on laws based on Andrew tates words, he would be stopped, hopefully, because he is a danger to children

That said, although it’s normal for countries to do it, that doesn’t make it right.

I’m not here to say this specific case is right or wrong, but this reasoning falls short.

Surely that will solve all of the world’s current problems and then we’ll all live happily ever after!