The Masculinity Scam | The manosphere’s campaign strategy
What kind of program has this internet-brain-rotted masculinity brought us? A public-health official who neglects fatal outbreaks of preventable diseases because he seems to believe that only the strong should survive. A Department of Defense, renamed the Department of War, that launches a needless war of choice in the Middle East. A government that props up the fossil-fuel industry (manly) while deliberately suppressing green alternatives (girly), leading to a catastrophic rise in energy prices when that war doesn’t go as planned. A president who imposed tariffs to bring back “manly jobs,” but only drove up inflation instead.
It’s hard to see how any of this has made men’s lives better. But maybe making other people’s lives worse is enough.
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You hit the nail on the head - great and succinct summary of the article honestly.
You say I perfectly summarized it, but to be honest, I haven’t even read the article… I am familiar with the topic at least and just put my thought about it into a laconic comment.
Generally one should only comment on an article after actually reading it.
It’s a good read if you want to dive in. Maybe not revolutionary or new though as evidenced by your accidental correctness haha
I would argue that there are absolutely many things wrong with the idea of “masculinity” as a normative, structuralist concept. Putting people in boxes never ends well, because people are individuals and the goal should be making the world safe for individuals. If you want to reduce masculinity to a purely descriptive concept then just use those descriptions. But the idea that there’s a certain set of traits which define some ideal man is and will always be a toxic idea.
I quoted the article, these aren’t my words personally, just for the record.
Republicans are using this idea of masculinity to sway men into voting for them. The article is a really interesting read and does well at treating the topic of masculinity as it relates to this movement and not as a way to push men and boys into certain traits.
That is the mantra of conservatives and their party: the Republican Party.
Demn this is good
Conservatives are getting really good at turning men against everyone else. This Texas race and how they’re targeting Talarico lays it bare. Reminds me of when Steve Bannon talked openly about using the outrage from GamerGate to help funnel those men into alt-right spaces.
Great read, thank you for sharing!
Gamergate was one of the worse events in the last decade or so. It was the start where the worse parts of the Internet started leaking into the real world. Awful time
Okay, here is my example of masculinity: my old man. A short scrawny little Asian scientist that got up early to go to work, came back late in the afternoon and still found time to play with his kids no matter how tired he was. He was never anything but loving to his family, 100% treated my mom as an equal partner, brought over my grandparents to Canada and then supported the entire family.
Yes he had his flaws and he admitted to them and worked to become better.
He was never loud or obnoxious, but knew his job and wherever he ended up he just did whatever had to be done to get on with whatever job was in front of him, be it reinsulating the house or interpreting data from a complex nuclear experiment. And if was truly stumped, he either found out the answer himself or asked someone that knew the answer.
He never competed with his sons (my brother and I) in an unhealthy way and made sure to teach us both academically and morally. And he wasn’t afraid to show his emotions. When I finally left home, I left a letter saying how thankful I was to my parents and that I hoped I would make them proud of me. My old man cried upon reading it.
To me, that’s masculinity.
My husband’s father is very much like this too. The best parenting advice I have ever got was from him: “sometimes you just have to love them (your kids) through it (the hard thing)”.
My husband, repects, trusts, and loves his father. He’s always there, he never points blame, but is just all around emotionally available, and supportive to all his children, teaching them what he can, and always with an open heart/mind. It’s really beautiful to see, as a person who has never expierenced what a good dad is myself. And now, My husband has been helping me raise my son, not even his, since he was 6, with the same dedication and emotional support. This is the “gift that keeps giving” I want for my son (the joke being the gift that keeps giving is generational trauma). The gift of having generations of not perfect, but good, accountable, at peace with themselves, dads.
Im so glad your father was good to you. It is absolutely something to cherish.
Being “strong” and having a solid “sense of masuclinity” (which can mean so many things, I dont know what words to use here), are covered under emotional regulation. Emotional regulation, is dependable, and dependable is just a good trait for anyone to have. In the past, something a “man is”, one could say the word, dependable. “I can depend on my father (for support)” is, so freaking huge imo.
It takes strength to overcome hard, boisterious feelings. To regulate them, and tackle a problem with logic, in place of exlposions. To take a moment to breathe, lower your blood pressure before opening your mouth, and give space for your feelings and undersranding them as such. It is easy to explode with emotions, and act “big and tough” like a cock with his feathers puffed up for battle; it is not easy always, to stay calm, and approach things with EQ.
What the fuck even is “masculinity” at this point?
They basically think it’s being oppressive.
If you have to follow some set of rules to be a man, you ain’t no man.
Especially if the rules are being given by someone who proclaims to be an ‘alpha’.
The problem with masculinity is that its identity is tied up with competence and pride. Part of “being masculine” is discerning threats to your status and ego, and using physical imposition and verbal bravado to defend them when necessary.
Discerning threats to your status and your ego *reliably*… in a way that *most people agree with*, is very very difficult for young boys who haven’t done a lot of that.
Young boys will discern threats over-zealously thinking everyone’s out to get them, and defend their ego/status over-enthusiastically thinking everyone will be impressed and/or scared.
Every joke becomes a threat in the mind of a teenager with a brain flooded by testosterone for the first time ever, at 2 - 3x higher levels than men done with puberty.
Additionally we now have myriads of douchebags on screen sitting in front of mics (metaphorically) jerking young men off for behaving like insecure inexperienced children, telling them tantrums and law breaking violence are “how men operate”.
Boys need to learn how to understand their emotions and how their actions make them look to others, and then they usually grow up to be great men if they can learn those things well.
They need to learn that fear and envy are toxic clouds, not yard sticks.
My son has severe emotional regulation struggles all his life. He’s been in therapy since he was 7. I found it really interesting one day, when he was 8 or 9, I seemingly out of the blue, asked him, “do you feel like people are out to get you?” He said, yes, very sternly.
The answer honestly surprised me. I saw the question on some form I did for myself (in therapy) and I thought to ask him, not really sure why. But I am glad I did. Ive been working with him on this since. A big part of what I am trying to give him is a healthy sense of self so he doesnt feel this way.
This is the other big chunk of it. I noticed nearly all of the “grown men” in my terrible bloodline, did not possess this skill. Again, with help of a whole ass therapy team, I am trying to give my (fully nerodiverent) son these skills. To identify how we are feeling using words, specifics with broad vocab, just doesnt come to everyone easily, and half the battle it seems, is to beable to recognize our emotions for what they are. Then you have a chance for positive change and regulation through the tough emotions.
Another big chunk, is.. seriously, fathers need to love thier kids and be present, and set a good example for thier sons. A father not doing this, for anykid, fucks em up, but especially our sons. They need positive “masculine” role models if they stand a fighting chance to not become so vexxed they ruin thier relationships with others (and honestly themselves too), from what Ive seen in life.
and goes without saying, kids need humans to raise them, not an aglorythm.
Unpopular opinion: Masculinity doesn’t exist. There’s feminine things and then there’s everything else.
Is a hammer masculine? What about a monster truck? What if you paint them pink?
See what I mean? The modern concept of masculinity—and certainly conservatives stance on it—is an invented thing that only serves to make feeble men feel special.
If you accept that nothing is masculine, then a whole lot of advertising, conservative takes, and weird, supposedly “manly” activities start to appear absurd. Because they are.
This seems to be a roundabout way of coming upon the idea of, like, defaults and privilege. Like how people will say the there’s “sexual orientations: straight and political”
What?
I think it’s a thought experiment.
Seems like it was labeled an unpopular opinion, but that’s why I asked either way.
That statement sure is…..something.
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You have a lot of down votes but I think there is philosophical merit to your statement.
Biologically “male” and “female” abilities and attributes have a massive overlap and are at worst bimodal distributions. There is no singular meaningful action that only one gender does. So you would naturally think that humans would be equal.
Except…. Women give birth to new humans. In modern times we have enough scientific explanations to take some of the magic out of the fact that human life is created inside of women. This act is so philosophically terrifying and traumatic that it creates the “female” category unavoidably in the mind of anyone who even hears of it.
The “male” is something created out of lack. It’s an attempt to create a category by focusing on the differences between two entirely overlapping sets because the “female” is a category. Everything else, like patriarchy as a whole, flows from there.
At the end of the day everyone is just “people” and a bit less than half of us can create new life as a bonus feature. Everything else is a social construct.
Yes. Women have the biological means to perform just about any activity a man can do (two arms, two legs, a sapient brain, etc) , but there’s something only women can do.
Following this to its logical conclusion: If a woman can do it, it’s not masculine.
Hence my statement: Feminine things do exist (not because they’re a particular color, LOL). There’s a whole aisle of literal feminine products in every grocery store but there’s no “masculine products” section.
Getting someone pregnant is exclusive to people born male. Most clothing and shoe stores are divided into men’s and women’s sections. And there are men’s health and hygiene products in every grocery store and pharmacy I’ve been to.