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What We Talk About When We Talk About Malware | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
https://f-droid.org/2026/07/01/adv-malware.html
Disguising itself as the innocuously-titled “Android Developer Verifier” (ADV) process, this trojan horse runs surreptitiously in the background as a system service with full root privileges, quietly awaiting an activation signal. The service cannot be blocked, disabled, or removed. Unlike a commonplace bit of malware, this extraordinary strain won’t be detected and neutralized by Play Protect (the malware scanning and remediation service that is installed on all Android Certified devices). In fact, Play Protect is itself the vector through which this virus is transmitted and installed.
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As we discussed in “What We Talk About When We Talk About Sideloading”, beware the dangers of allowing the terminology of debate to be defined by those who don’t have your best interests at heart. Malware being synonymous with “software we don’t like” means that they can unilaterally dictate — driven either by business incentives or by being compelled by a sufficiently powerful government — what the malware-du-jour definition is to be.
For precedent, personal content filtering in the form of “ad blockers” has long since been banned from the Play Store, and they have even classified some instances as malware. How long before they designate all ad-blocking software as malware, block installation on all Android certified devices worldwide, and permanently designate all developers of this class of software as malware creators?
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Man, this steams my broccoli. It does nothing but give Google veto power over applications, and the sideloading “exception” is a stupid 24 hour wait just to be dickheads.
They don’t give a fuck about security, they just want to remove adblockers in any nefarious way they can. Utter scumbags.
WildmimicThis is such an overwhelming power grab in line with all the other crap they are currently pushing like disabling Manifest V2. The US urgently needs to ramp up their antitrust legislation, or else - if you extrapolate the current trajectories - they might soon be in a position where the US government has to do what google says and not the other way around
RhoeriRemember when Apple were supposed to be the bad guys and Google/Android were “one of us”?
DeebsterIs this something we can opt out of, like how we can for Play Protect?
inariAFAIK you can only avoid it by using a custom ROM like GrapheneOS
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HarkMahlbergMy phone doesn’t have any custom ROM support yet, so I guess I’m screwed? I love F-Droid, but this missive amounts to just ragebait for people who don’t have Pixel devices.
Buy a phone that lineage os support then. Way more options than pixels. Pretty cheap used, you just have to accept one from a few years ago. and make sure that any required bootloader unlock from oem can still be done.
Best way is to not include it in the first place by using another ROM. If that’s not an option, you can always remove it via root. It may also be possible to use ADB/Shizuku to get rid of it, but Google could add checks to prevent ADB from removing it. Then again apps installed via ADB aren’t subject to verification.
The implementation about to be done is actually just another smaller step to trying to be completely locked down.
In the same way you have to go and allow developer options to install apks outside of the play store now, this new thing will take you a couple more clicks to enable it and have a one time 24 hour waiting period before you can install whatever you want.
AproposnixYou can buy a DeGoogled Android from Fairphone or Murena. Or if you have a Pixel, you can install grapheneos.
Or leave Android altogether and get a Linux phone. You’ll have more control but it won’t be as slick.
At first Google does plan to offer something called “advanced flow” that will let you install what you want. But this doesn’t address the chilling effect for developers (some are just getting out of Android rather than registering and paying Google), or the censorship power it hands to Google to make “undesirable” apps harder to obtain and install. And there’s no guarantee they won’t just withdraw “advanced flow” one day.
https://developer.android.com//developer-verification/guides/faq#advanced-flow
The best way to avoid it is by installing an OS that doesn’t include the developer verification component.
For a long time I thought side loading was something special because it didn’t say “installing software”, so it must be some very special procedure that is required for mobile devices because of limitations or requirements with the hardware, right?
Yeah no, it was just a made up marketing term to push people away from installing their own software on their own devices
Fuck all big tech companies
What’s going on? Why does it feel like every megacorporation have become completely openly anti-consumer? Yes, companies have always been shady and doing everything for profit, but at least they did it subtly and backtracked as soon as the backlash came. Now they’re just shamelessly force feeding us spyware and “digital-only licenses revokable at any time”.
I think theres two aspects to it
- social licensing - e.g. Google tries and gets away with X, so the others now perceive they’re less likely to receive excessive pushback and are emboldened to go for it. This is why I feel there needs to be a pervasive and continuous push towards consumer rights - smaller cases can snowball quickly in the wrong direction, never so in the reverse.
- share price driven margin pressure, a figurative ideal business that balanced perfectly its price/margins/costs against consumer demands/buying power would still be pushed to make graph go up and right - the usual enshittification argument.
The first feeds into the second, once your competitor moves against consumer interests, C suites are/perceive they are then under pressure to match peers, else fall behind.
Screwing over customers is baked into Capitalism, even more so with the current scale and concentration of a handful of business operating in a weak regulatory environment.
If we define malware as it is defined here, windows defender is malware.
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kbalThe hacker news discussion is surprisingly not bad. Very few Google stans coming in to shill for their corporate masters, and they’re getting soundly ignored and downvoted.
Man, I just moved here from reddit and it’s so refreshing to have actual intelligent discussion instead of being shouted down by bootlickers about how no one cares for your pro privacy opinion.
It’s not a bad thing to have a higher barrier to entry for the Fediverse
squirrelWelcome!
Hey squirrel! I like the fact that the fediverse is small enough that I can recognise users I’ve interacted with before.
Which mobile OS are you guys using? How well do they work? How do they compare to stock android?
I’m thinking about flashing /e/OS over Android.
I’m currently using /e/os as there are no official custom Roms for my phone and they offer a GSI version (works on a wide variety of devices). For me it runs flawlessly, but I don’t use any apps dependent on Google Play Services, so YMMV.
I think their default apps are very usable and having MicroG on board for location services is pretty handy. Their contacts/calendar/note syncing via Murena also make the user experience quite seemless.
I’d recommend it.
Edit: If you have any questions about the OS, feel free to ask away
Does things like gmail, google maps and g calendar work? If not, are there workarounds?
yessikgI think installing the apps via Aurora Store and running them should definitely work. There might be issues with syncing them to your Google account though. You can add the account via MicroG (preinstalled) but since I have no experience with running GApps on /e/os I can’t attest to how well this will work, if at all.
You can install Lineage OS and add GApps though, if you’re looking for a custom ROM but need extensive support for Google apps.
Might I ask what’s your incentive to switch to /e/os? Installing Google apps kind of counteracts the privacy aspect.
crdroid, which is a fork of lineage os with a few notable QoL improvements i can’t live without
This isn’t new.
How many windows app promised security, more ram, cleaning windows, etc…
Only to be malware?
SocialistVibes01Beehaw is not the place for this kind of discussion.
ds12Why not?
Check his profile, as a tankie he has supreme authority on what goes on in other fediverse instances.
Tankie, the favourite derrogatory term for brain dead capitalist bootlickers.
What? You don’t normally call capitalists “Tankie”. That would be a weird insult for one, to say the least. Usually that term is reserved for a certain kind of pro-authoritarian “communist” (in quotes of course because I don’t believe it’s actual communism).
Anyway, not sure what any of this has to do with the post. What a weird comment thread…
For clarity, they’re trying to say that tankie is a word used by capitalists, not for capitalists.
And looking at their instance, they’re the tankie lol
Which is why you came here, to beehaw, to engage in the discussion that was already in progress without your permission? Honestly, how dare we!
I wouldn’t dream of coming to your home instance and telling you what topics you can/cannot have there…
delmainThis is a good time to remind people that if you install a custom ROM from https://xdaforums.com/ (that’s where most instructions are at any rate), you can install a version of Android with no google services whatsoever, including no play store
moosetwinonly if your device is rootable unfortunately
heliotrope
Not necessarily. LineageOS doesn’t require root; just a compatible device.
It also requires the boot loader to be unlocked, which is the same requirement for rooting a phone. Thus, you can only install LineageOS if your phone is rootable.
Where is the motorola graphene OS phone? This would be a great day to launch.
afaik this will be for corporations only and not sold to consumers directly
Oh, I hadn’t heard that. Is that a common business model for phones?
i mean it has been a thing for sure, motorola builds the radio and wifi systems in cop cars for example. the phone part may be new but it seems to be of the idea “corporations may need privacy but consumers don’t deserve it”.
Mugita SokioGrapheneOS users, I don’t think, will have this virus. I could be wrong, though.
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I really hope the end result of Google’s shenanigans results in more people being degoogled.
They say it cannot be removed, but my Canta screens suggest that it has been removed. Roll on September I guess.
Countdown is on.
You can definitely remove the APK, but it’ll just reinstall itself next time Play Store services do their thing. In addition, Google Play won’t allow installation of new apps without approval from the service, so removing it will block install via official GPlay.
The main ways to avoid it to my knowledge are to either go through the official ADB method (if you have official Google Play) or use a de-Googled phone and install via alternative stores eg Aurora / F-Droid.
Interesting, can you tell me more about the official ADB method? I’m using Canta in conjunction with Shizuku which is using wireless ADB debugging.
I wonder how they silently get away with this. In Europe we just had a €4.1 billion fine. How is this any different and not violating open markets? Google even claimed that “Android users were free to download rival apps”. Every Android smartphone sold around here comes with all the google crap preinstalled, now locking users in when they want to install apps outside their own appstore.
What does this mean for android distributions though?