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strawberry_enjoyer42Oof. That’s pretty awful. Best send the nerd boys to me so I can protect them :3
On a more serious note: yikes, that’s awful. We’re supposed to be better than incels, not their mirror.
Happy to know there’s still hope.
For sure. It really bothers me when women talk about abusing me like that. It’s just as bad when a woman does as it is when a man does. It’s so toxic.
queerlilhayseedI don’t remember the exact quote and I can’t find it, but I recall someone describing a similar problem on 4chan itself. There’s a thing that happens, in communities that emphasize edgy humor, to newcomers who don’t get the jokes and confuse them for genuine beliefs. Those who find them repulsive leave and don’t return, while those who find them tolerable (as genuine beliefs) stick around and have those beliefs normalized and reinforced. Over time, the sincere believers come to outnumber the jokers, and what was once a lighthearted satirical community becomes a cesspool of bona fide extremism.
I don’t know if it’s a fair analogy; as far as I can remember 4chan was always a cesspool of violence with a flimsy veneer of “it’s just a joke bro”. But I think it would be unwise to assume something like that couldn’t happen in a femcel community.
This is a big part of how Reddit got radicalized
Happens a lot. I remember when I could scroll through twitter and not see any nazis.
It’s something I think about a lot with the Fediverse: how to keep the nazis at bay. I think with Reddit, Twitter et al one of the main factors is that nazis also tend to spend money to show their allegiance, which is why you see things like Trump selling fake $1000 bills with his face on it. It’s very profitable to give nazis a space to be awful because they will spend money they don’t have to feel like they’re really part of the club.
I think it comes down to the same rules as running a bar. If nazis come in, you gotta kick them out right away, otherwise before you know it your bar is a nazi bar. I think that’s why “edgy” humor comms are particularly vulnerable, because they’re a good place for nazis to gradually push the envelope in the name of “humor” and once they get a beachhead, they’re hard to stop without decisive action.
Stephen Miller is the IRL embodiment of this early 2000s super edgy “humour” forming the basis of an actual political platform. It’s so exhausting because any attempt at engaging with them leads to “I’m just trolling bro.”
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/if-youre-listening/stephen-miller-edgelord-in-chief/106305424
𝑀𝑒𝑔𝒶𝓃If you don’t mind? Does anyone else find it at all peculiar that this new non-political usage of chud, which would be exactly the kind of thing the chuds would try to create, seems to come directly from the chuddiest site online, and sloshes over so frequently into our fine femcel fora? At this rate everyone will be a chud by the end of the year!
There’s a whole body of linguistic work about how “incel culture” rapidly infiltrates and influences discourse and how it’s very unique in the way and speed it happens. A rabbit hole I feel into a few months ago, I didn’t really come to any conclusions that were meaningful but it was interesting and I feel like I have a better understanding of how I want to speak and represent myself now, so that’s something
I’m not fussed about that word in particular. It’s been slang for “basement dweller” since the movie C.H.U.D. came out in the 80s, and I feel like each generation attaches new meanings to it.
IME, it’s one of those slang words that has found purchase more in online conversation than offline, which I think makes it a signifier of being “internet fluent” among people who find pride themselves on being knowledgeable about the internet. Combine that with it’s origin as a description of underground creatures despised by the broader society, and I think it makes sense that it would resonate with internet communities that self describe as losers e.g. 4chan, incels, femcels.
What is it even supposed to mean in this context, anyway? Never seen or heard it used in any way other than the political one.
Here it’s basically being used in a context of like “Chud vs Chad” where the poster is falling herself a Chud as a shorthand to say she’s an unpleasant loser.
TotallynotJessicaI feel like 4chan culture has infested way more of the internet in the current fascist era. The biggest culprit in this shift is Xitter and people’s absolute refusal to cut themselves off from the Nazi pedo platform. More normies get caught up in the bullshit, and a broader array of people have a toxic niche built specifically for them.
As people feel more scared and threatened, they ironically gravitate towards the more toxic and unpleasant spaces. They struggle to believe good people exist, which gives them free reign to be mean and sadistic. By basking in the filth, they think they’ll toughen up and be better able to face our harsh reality. For them, cruelty feels more honest than “hug boxing” “safe spaces.” It makes them feel superior. Of course, all they’re doing is following the path laid out for them by Elon Musk, Steve Bannon, and various other Epstein class ghouls.
Minoritized groups internalize the bigotry and perpetuate the very garbage ideology designed to control them. Women, alienated by capitalism like everyone else, are increasingly lonely and isolated from productive socal relations. The misogyny that underpins all fascism makes them increasingly combative and bitter towards men, and that very fascism encourages them to stop seeing men as people. They posit that those moids only have value as far as they can serve, only being tools to their own happiness rather than partners or friends. These women always reinforce the very patriarchal bullshit they suffer under; every time without fail.
So with all that said, fuck that type of femcel; they have no place here. This comm is usually about self-depreciation, but it is not a place to stew in infinite pits of hate or redirect those feelings outwards. Beyond being bad for you, it’s cringe and serves oligarchy.
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Any time a group of people is open to anyone joining it’s going to get ruined by the awful people using it as an excuse to be awful. Doubly so when the original group of people is emotionally vulnerable and hurt.
Incel, Femcel, doesn’t matter. Makes no difference to awful people what they’re called if they can get in a group to collectively fantasize about being more awful than they could get way with in real life. I wish the actual people that are hurt can get the help they need to get better.
I’ve never met a “femcel” - as in a woman with poor social skills who stays inside and games a lot, perhaps lacking optimism about their romantic prospects and overall destiny - in my life so the whole concept did strike me as weird. Seeing the “femcel” subreddits, twitter pages and Instagram pages, all it reminded me of were the toxic girls from my hometown who essentially scared off new prospects by being so rude to them and CLEARLY chose their lifestyle very early on.
I therefore think femcel is a misnomer. I think generally women aren’t getting hung up on men in an incel-ly way - the ones that do skip straight to stalker serial killer lady - I think women are good at socialising and always have some sort of support system.
You are generalizing quite a bit, aren’t you?
Classic case of survivorship bias, that’s because the have poor social skills and stay inside. Unless you breaking and entering their homes you can’t find them.
If violent retribution is one of the paths inceldom leads to, it’s not terribly surprising if a femcel group goes the same way. What’s that saying? “Hurt people hurt people”?
If the only bond a group of people have is due to the pain they’re in, it can easily turn toxic. It’s a shame so many people turn toward incel/femcel communities instead of toward groups about shared interests or topics. I get wanting to commiserate with others, but when it becomes a circle jerk of sadness, sticking around can make existing issues so much worse.
all the based girls beat up the boys, this has always been
I think you overestimate the ability of biological women to hold their own against biological men once the men are >14 years old. Women deal less forceful blows and they usually have shorter stature which reduces leverage, this reducing force of attack and wrestling ability. They have less grip strength usually, and will struggle to reach the man.
In other words: it doesn’t really happen? Also why exactly would violence be based, anyway? If this is some sort of reaction to men attacking women, then pretending there are “based women who beat on men” doesn’t really solve that issue, nor does it necessarily solve any problems if it actually happens.
If we are talking about literal boys and girls, I’m never going to celebrate kids beating each other up. That’s just weird.
This makes it sound as if women never commit violence against men, which is just not true. Most people are not always on edge ready to fight for their life, fights are not always decided by whoever is physically stronger.
And even though it’s a crime to beat someone in most countries, this sort of violence, especially if it’s of sexual nature, is probably somewhere around the most underreported ones.
If a man tells someone he was beaten by a woman, he is automatically a laughingstock material, because “oh, men are physically stronger than women, no way that happened”. It’s even worse for rape, because there is no concept of men not consenting to sex in the “traditional” masculinity image.
Generally that’s true, but not always, also beating someone up is not necesarily related to physocal ability. You can notice the post says “nerd boy” or something along those lines. This probably implies not only someone that likely does not exercise much making them weaker but probably also someone insecure meaning they’re less likely to fight back.
Also. What you say also makes it generally more acceptable for women to harm men. My brother once got hit by a woman and the literal principal of the school just said like something that he should not be complaining for a woman hitting him or something like that. That’s obviously not a good principal and I find the situation funny but like because of the same thing that like men can’t harm women and that you know. (Harmful to both sides I would say anyways, no one should be hurting anyone and anyone should be defending themselves.)
Also I think the original comment was a joke.
Also if a trans-woman is on HRT the physical abilities should not be that different from a cis-woman, sure there’s still the height but there are still exceptions like the person just being short, having one of those surgeries that make you shorter, the other person being tall, or having started HRT in puberty and that kind of stuff.
Also this is just what I know and consider based on what I know and personal experience and I could of course be wrong.
If a women wants to beat up men she just needs to take MMA for a year then find someone she is size matched with. There is no shortage of men who can’t fight.