The point is: the whole appeal of the PS was, having the disc. Many would only have a PS because of the Disc. Now that there is no longer a disc what’s the point of having a PS? It has more expensive games, shittier graphics and performance to a PC.
Problem with your logic here is that physical discs haven’t been anything other than a key to unlock the exe you download for years. You aren’t getting anything off the disc, it is practically just a key. So what players are mad about is the illusion of control being ripped away, which I don’t really have any sympathy for.
It’s not illusion of control, the disc allows people to buy from other stores and allows people to resell their games. Games on disc go down in price much earlier than in the store. Spider-man 2 still costs 80€ in the PS Store, I can get it for half of that on disc and that’s not even the used disc price. Sony removing the disc option gives them full control over game prices. On PC you can buy from some other store, but that also comes with its issues.
You could still sell or loan that disc to shops or friends. Digital only games also mean no used games. Nintendo mitigates the issue with their virtual game cards, but you can’t sell it, and you’d have to gift the game to a friend every 2 weeks.
I agreed with you up until more expensive games, shittier graphics and performance. For the price of the console when it released it was a solid choice and was hard to buy a PC at the same price point that offered better performance. 6 years later and this holds true even more now than it did before. Steam box is apparently around the same performance with some things better and some things worse but at over $500 more for the one. Ps5 really holds its value for the price for what you get. I do wonder if that will hold true for the ps6 though (not holding my breath).
Yeah, but I can edit docs, send emails, run services (looking at you JellyFin), etc from a steam machine / similar Linux gaming box that I can’t from a PlayStation.
Obv its not the goal of the machine, but in a pinch, it’s an option.
Trying to compare Valve to Sony on the basis of pro/anti-customer basis is a great way to embarrass yourself. Yea, Valve doesn’t have disks, so they’re the same right?
Valve is far from perfect but I for one still have access to the movies I bought on Steam even after they delisted them. They’re winning again by doing literally nothing.
Embarassing yourself as a blind fanboy is way better. It’s okay if proton linux man(the market he sold you) does it, draw a line.
I am dying on this fucking hill. Let the rain pour. If you can’t see past a dude who owns a fleet of yachts as your own personal Jesus, you need some help.
Both companies, both vindictive. Quit being a choosy rioter.
Valve is in the same position of power, or an even greater position of power, as Sony. But Valve has never (to my knowledge) removed games from customers’ libraries without compensation. Valve has the track record of not abusing their position of power to the detriment of gamers.
Personally, I still don’t like the amount of power they do hold, which is why I prefer to get my games from GOG when I can. But historically, Valve is not anti-consumer. Valve/Gaben are no angels, they have their fair share of billionaire behavior, but there is simply no comparison with Sony.
Yeah this was the point I was about to say myself. It’s not that Valve has me stanning them at all, but rather the experience has been the same since Steam’s inception in 2003. I go to their Store, I buy the game (but really the game licence, now that we’re more aware), I download it, and play it. Games almost never get removed from your library unless they find them to be malicious (I bought a key for Prey 2006 on eBay years after delisting and was playing it within an hour), so it’s been rather reassuring that money spent is value retained in perpetuity until proven otherwise.
If Valve starts making the same terrible decisions though, they can receive the same pitchfork brigade as everyone else.
I do pay attention to what I’m actually buying now that I’m older and more knowledgeable about licensing, but don’t let FUD ruin your experience as a gamer. Just keep your ear to the ground for any terrible policy changes.
Maybe I’m missing a tick here. But with valve you can just copy the game and use it, right? You don’t need the steam launcher. Unless the game itself has DRM, of course.
TBF I never liked Steam for the fact that I don’t own the games. If Valve vanishes, all the games people ‘buy’ are also gone.
I’m an old PC user that started with DOS and played BASIC games, and I’ve never been a fan of Valve or Steam. They did progress tremendously under Linux and brought a gaming revolution to the system, but they are still a capitalist corporation selling digitally locked products that we don’t really own.
I agree. I buy any game I can on GOG or physical media, but still use steam. The only reason I’m fine using steam is that I have backed up every game I own, and there are piracy tools that can break steam’s DRM. This way, if valve disappears, I can still play all my games without worry, except for the multiplayer parts of games that had multiplayer using steam servers exclusively.
However, there already exist emulators that let you play those multiplayer games on LAN without a connection to steam or the internet, so I’d imagine folks will figure out a hostable version for over-internet play if the need arises
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The point is: the whole appeal of the PS was, having the disc. Many would only have a PS because of the Disc. Now that there is no longer a disc what’s the point of having a PS? It has more expensive games, shittier graphics and performance to a PC.
Problem with your logic here is that physical discs haven’t been anything other than a key to unlock the exe you download for years. You aren’t getting anything off the disc, it is practically just a key. So what players are mad about is the illusion of control being ripped away, which I don’t really have any sympathy for.
It’s not illusion of control, the disc allows people to buy from other stores and allows people to resell their games. Games on disc go down in price much earlier than in the store. Spider-man 2 still costs 80€ in the PS Store, I can get it for half of that on disc and that’s not even the used disc price. Sony removing the disc option gives them full control over game prices. On PC you can buy from some other store, but that also comes with its issues.
You could still sell or loan that disc to shops or friends. Digital only games also mean no used games. Nintendo mitigates the issue with their virtual game cards, but you can’t sell it, and you’d have to gift the game to a friend every 2 weeks.
I agreed with you up until more expensive games, shittier graphics and performance. For the price of the console when it released it was a solid choice and was hard to buy a PC at the same price point that offered better performance. 6 years later and this holds true even more now than it did before. Steam box is apparently around the same performance with some things better and some things worse but at over $500 more for the one. Ps5 really holds its value for the price for what you get. I do wonder if that will hold true for the ps6 though (not holding my breath).
Yeah, but I can edit docs, send emails, run services (looking at you JellyFin), etc from a steam machine / similar Linux gaming box that I can’t from a PlayStation.
Obv its not the goal of the machine, but in a pinch, it’s an option.
Steam box =/= normal gaming pc
My 5 year old pre built acer laptop is around the same price and specs, and only the cpu is better on the steam square.
Comparing the release of ps5 with current day stuff seems weird. Why not compare with the launch of valve? Or personal computers in general?
Trying to compare Valve to Sony on the basis of pro/anti-customer basis is a great way to embarrass yourself. Yea, Valve doesn’t have disks, so they’re the same right?
Valve is far from perfect but I for one still have access to the movies I bought on Steam even after they delisted them. They’re winning again by doing literally nothing.
I have had one problem game on steam I lost access to. Sort of. and it was an EA game I bought on steam. But then now it’s no longer on steam.
Last time I tried I was able to play it on the EA app.
I can’t recall exactly how but I was able to link the steam purchase to EA app.
American McGee’s Alice return
Solid game.
EA really screwed over American McGee. Refuse to sell him the rights to his own ip but also won’t let him or anyone else make a sequel.
Idk if there was other games EA did this to on steam but I only have the EA app for this one game. I replay it every now and then. Old favorite.
So when you launched the game through steam it probably launched the EA launcher.
Embarassing yourself as a blind fanboy is way better. It’s okay if proton linux man(the market he sold you) does it, draw a line.
I am dying on this fucking hill. Let the rain pour. If you can’t see past a dude who owns a fleet of yachts as your own personal Jesus, you need some help.
Both companies, both vindictive. Quit being a choosy rioter.
Valve is in the same position of power, or an even greater position of power, as Sony. But Valve has never (to my knowledge) removed games from customers’ libraries without compensation. Valve has the track record of not abusing their position of power to the detriment of gamers.
Personally, I still don’t like the amount of power they do hold, which is why I prefer to get my games from GOG when I can. But historically, Valve is not anti-consumer. Valve/Gaben are no angels, they have their fair share of billionaire behavior, but there is simply no comparison with Sony.
…nyeah, fuck it. I’ll upvote that. That’s fair!
Yeah this was the point I was about to say myself. It’s not that Valve has me stanning them at all, but rather the experience has been the same since Steam’s inception in 2003. I go to their Store, I buy the game (but really the game licence, now that we’re more aware), I download it, and play it. Games almost never get removed from your library unless they find them to be malicious (I bought a key for Prey 2006 on eBay years after delisting and was playing it within an hour), so it’s been rather reassuring that money spent is value retained in perpetuity until proven otherwise.
If Valve starts making the same terrible decisions though, they can receive the same pitchfork brigade as everyone else.
I do pay attention to what I’m actually buying now that I’m older and more knowledgeable about licensing, but don’t let FUD ruin your experience as a gamer. Just keep your ear to the ground for any terrible policy changes.
it’s okay to take a break from the internet if it makes you feel that way and say things like this
but this is my calm setting…
Then definitely take a break from the Internet and get out more.
The more consoomers we get from reddit, I swear…
oh okay then you’re just an asshole on a daily basis gotcha
That’s problematic
Maybe I’m missing a tick here. But with valve you can just copy the game and use it, right? You don’t need the steam launcher. Unless the game itself has DRM, of course.
Yep, forgoing the previous reply you nonces had the mods remove, let’s double down. Yeah, it makes them just, as, bad.
If it makes you blind to capitalistic policies and makes you trust a literal billionare, then I’m not the one who should be embarassed.
TBF I never liked Steam for the fact that I don’t own the games. If Valve vanishes, all the games people ‘buy’ are also gone.
I’m an old PC user that started with DOS and played BASIC games, and I’ve never been a fan of Valve or Steam. They did progress tremendously under Linux and brought a gaming revolution to the system, but they are still a capitalist corporation selling digitally locked products that we don’t really own.
I agree. I buy any game I can on GOG or physical media, but still use steam. The only reason I’m fine using steam is that I have backed up every game I own, and there are piracy tools that can break steam’s DRM. This way, if valve disappears, I can still play all my games without worry, except for the multiplayer parts of games that had multiplayer using steam servers exclusively.
However, there already exist emulators that let you play those multiplayer games on LAN without a connection to steam or the internet, so I’d imagine folks will figure out a hostable version for over-internet play if the need arises
however much consumer friendly drm free products would be.
as long as we have capitalism, drm free content will always be a niche thing, if available at all.
GOG 😎
you mean the email Nazis?
i believe that was a genuine accident from their side
ah yes, accidental Nazi symbology. the most plausibly deniable kind of Nazi symbology.
remind me, how long did it take GOG to publicly denounce Nazi’s and apologize for any offense?
less than a fucking day, a few hours probably, but reddit is stupid and won’t show me proper timestamps
didn’t they also send it everywhere in the world except Germany? like the one place in the world where it’s a literal crime to display Nazi symbolism.
convenient…
idk i didn’t even get the email because i don’t have marketing emails enabled