Intersectionality is based on the conception that class struggle leaves minority groups behind & they need to squabble for reforms via interest groups. It is not the inspiring premise it hands you for advertising purposes. In socialist states, minority groups get special democratic representation, they don’t have to fight for relevance via nonprofits & lobbies (the purpose of such a system is to pit them against each other so white supremacist patriarchy goes on uninhibited)
If you want to go crazy with it, be like Stalin & give people their own nation to be part of the plurinational state. Seems like overkill these days but it made sense to people at the time
Class struggle doesn’t exclude anybody except the parasites lmao you think general living conditions don’t benefit LGBT people? You can’t get anything without them. Intersectionality only gives us capitalist icons to project ourselves onto to escape our shitty living situation. A pop star coming out as bisexual or some shit doesn’t help you at all. Worker’s rights do, yes, particularly benefit marginalized people like the aforementioned gays. Basic stuff
Okay good luck spending the next 20 years bickering over scraps from the capitalists while gay people actually achieve shit in Vietnam & Cuba I’ll be waiting on you intersectionality chuds with bated breath. It helps to actually read about the history of freaks like Dworkin & their support for Israel. Lays the entire project bare. Its purpose is to exclude anti-colonialism (through demonization of colonized men) and Marxism-Leninism from the humanities to maintain Euro dominance of academia worldwide.
Class struggle isnt exclusionary in the sense that it pushes minorities out, but it also does not account for struggles that are not purely a product of class, or the way that class struggle magnifies other issues. A pop star coming out as bi isnt really what intersectionality is…
When you talk to leftists in minority groups they often communicate that they have problems beyond purely class based harms. Yes, queer folks need housing like everyone else, but as a queer person not all issues that queer folks face are purely class driven. In fact queerness is an especially apt example because much of what drives harms to queer folks is the church’s need for power rather than the economic exploitation that has driven so much of the harm for many other groups. We need healthcare that attends to the health needs of queer people, and we need the right to marry who we please, and we need to the right to self determination of what our lives are allowed to look like.
There are similar examples for other minority groups as well– black folks need healthcare that treats them like human beings, and where black mothers don’t die durring childbirth at ludicrously high rates because doctors fail to attend to their needs. Women need medicine based on research that was actually conducted on women. Disabled folks have needs with respect to accessibility that allow them to participate in society. If you talk at length with folks in these populations and you really listen to them, there are deeply important issues that you cannot solve purely through class struggle.
Class struggle is mandatory. But if you stop there you will have still failed to meet the needs of groups whose issues have been most ignored. It is important to listen to people, and to understand enough to engage with they tell you they need.
Class struggle doesn’t exclude anybody except the parasites
Not inherently, no, but movements are never perfect because people aren’t.
Sometimes a movement does good work for advancing working conditions and the like but sidelines if not actively opposes the rights of other groups such as people of color, women, LGBTQ+ people, people with disabilities, combinations thereof, and other overvictimized and underrepresented groups.
That’s why being conscious of intersectionality is important.
you think general living conditions don’t benefit LGBT people?
Yes, of course. The rising tide will have a harder time raising that particular boat if nobody’s doing anything about all the holes being drilled through its bottom, though.
Intersectionality only gives us capitalist icons to project ourselves onto
Again, complete and utter nonsense. You’re thinking of performative protest, which is in no way, shape, or form what intersectionality is about.
A pop star coming out as bisexual or some shit doesn’t help you at all
False. Say what you will about the shitshow that is TMZ celebrity culture, but representation amongst the popular and powerful ABSOLUTELY helps marginalized people, in many ways big and small.
Worker’s rights do, yes, particularly benefit marginalized people
I’m still aware of that, yes. That’s obvious to anyone paying attention.
Basic stuff
Yeah, that’s your main problem right there: you are so hyperfocused on Worker’s Rights 101 that you’re ignoring all other aspects of civil struggle.
You’re behaving like one of those “free market absolutionists” that keep going on about supply and demand controlling everything, completely ignoring all other economic factors.
Okay good luck spending the next 20 years bickering over scraps from the capitalists while gay people actually achieve shit in Vietnam & Cuba I’ll be waiting on you intersectionality chuds with bated breath
Again with the strawmen and the non sequiturs 🤦🏻
freaks like Dworkin & their support for Israel
I wasn’t familiar, so I looked her up. While I disagree with a lot if not most of what she has to say about anything else, here’s a quote from her from 1990, before the vast majority of the West had anything but unconditional support for the apartheid state:
because only in a democracy without a state religion could religious minorities have rights or be safe or not be persecuted or discriminated against. I said that if there was a Jewish state, anyone who wasn’t Jewish would be second-class by definition. I said we didn’t have a right to do to other people what had been done to us. More than anyone, we knew the bitterness of religious persecution, the stigma that went with being a minority. We should be able to see in advance the inevitable consequences of having a state that put us first; because then others were second and third and fourth. A theocratic state, I said, could never be a fair state—and didn’t Jews need a fair state? If Jews had had a fair state wouldn’t Jews have been safe from slaughter? Israel could be a beginning: a fair state. But then it couldn’t be a Jewish state.
Israel was impossible: fundamentally wrong, organized to betray egalitarian aspirations—because it was built from the ground up on a racial definition of its desired citizen; because it was built from the ground up on exclusion, necessarily stigmatizing those who were not Jews. Social equality was impossible unless only Jews lived there. With hostile neighbors and a racial paradigm for the state’s identity, Israel had to become either a fortress or a tomb. I didn’t think it made Jews safer.
Sounds pretty spot on to me, and very much the OPPOSITE of support for the apartheid state model
Anyway, that was a long and needless digression, given that intersectionality isn’t a “project” and even if it had been, she wouldn’t be a contemporary leader of it given some of her other views.
Its purpose is to exclude anti-colonialism
That’s EXACTLY the opposite of intersectionality. Are you drunk right now or do you just have the comprehension of a distracted toddler?
through demonization of colonized men
Again, that’s in no way a part of what intersectionality is. In fact, that’s very much an example of what intersectionality works AGAINST.
Marxism-Leninism from the humanities
Not actually the worst idea, since its authoritarian nature makes it tendency towards harm greater than its potential for good. BANNING it would of course be going way too far, but yeah, not a fan of any inherently authoritarian ideology, and your rebranded Stalinism is no exception.
to maintain Euro dominance of academia worldwide.
Marx was a European academic, and depending on whether you consider the western part of Russia (or even all of Russia as some do) European, so was Lenin.
Stalin was from Georgia, though, so maybe that’s why you don’t consider it European? Though that’s ALSO part of Europe, so you’re STILL not making any sense.
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Intersectionality is based on the conception that class struggle leaves minority groups behind & they need to squabble for reforms via interest groups. It is not the inspiring premise it hands you for advertising purposes. In socialist states, minority groups get special democratic representation, they don’t have to fight for relevance via nonprofits & lobbies (the purpose of such a system is to pit them against each other so white supremacist patriarchy goes on uninhibited)
If you want to go crazy with it, be like Stalin & give people their own nation to be part of the plurinational state. Seems like overkill these days but it made sense to people at the time
No. Only class struggle that actively excludes minority groups.
What a load of reactionary nonsense 🙄
Not all minority groups and not all social states.
Everyone who don’t already have power do, even in the absence of the monetarily biased power structures of capitalism.
Nah, I’ll leave that nonsense to you ml loons.
That’s a funny way of spelling “vassal state of a corrupt authoritarian empire” 🙄
Class struggle doesn’t exclude anybody except the parasites lmao you think general living conditions don’t benefit LGBT people? You can’t get anything without them. Intersectionality only gives us capitalist icons to project ourselves onto to escape our shitty living situation. A pop star coming out as bisexual or some shit doesn’t help you at all. Worker’s rights do, yes, particularly benefit marginalized people like the aforementioned gays. Basic stuff
Okay good luck spending the next 20 years bickering over scraps from the capitalists while gay people actually achieve shit in Vietnam & Cuba I’ll be waiting on you intersectionality chuds with bated breath. It helps to actually read about the history of freaks like Dworkin & their support for Israel. Lays the entire project bare. Its purpose is to exclude anti-colonialism (through demonization of colonized men) and Marxism-Leninism from the humanities to maintain Euro dominance of academia worldwide.
Class struggle isnt exclusionary in the sense that it pushes minorities out, but it also does not account for struggles that are not purely a product of class, or the way that class struggle magnifies other issues. A pop star coming out as bi isnt really what intersectionality is…
When you talk to leftists in minority groups they often communicate that they have problems beyond purely class based harms. Yes, queer folks need housing like everyone else, but as a queer person not all issues that queer folks face are purely class driven. In fact queerness is an especially apt example because much of what drives harms to queer folks is the church’s need for power rather than the economic exploitation that has driven so much of the harm for many other groups. We need healthcare that attends to the health needs of queer people, and we need the right to marry who we please, and we need to the right to self determination of what our lives are allowed to look like.
There are similar examples for other minority groups as well– black folks need healthcare that treats them like human beings, and where black mothers don’t die durring childbirth at ludicrously high rates because doctors fail to attend to their needs. Women need medicine based on research that was actually conducted on women. Disabled folks have needs with respect to accessibility that allow them to participate in society. If you talk at length with folks in these populations and you really listen to them, there are deeply important issues that you cannot solve purely through class struggle.
Class struggle is mandatory. But if you stop there you will have still failed to meet the needs of groups whose issues have been most ignored. It is important to listen to people, and to understand enough to engage with they tell you they need.
Reformist jibber jabber to justify eclecticism
Why do you see it as negative to have more than one lens through which to understand an issue?
Not inherently, no, but movements are never perfect because people aren’t.
Sometimes a movement does good work for advancing working conditions and the like but sidelines if not actively opposes the rights of other groups such as people of color, women, LGBTQ+ people, people with disabilities, combinations thereof, and other overvictimized and underrepresented groups.
That’s why being conscious of intersectionality is important.
Yes, of course. The rising tide will have a harder time raising that particular boat if nobody’s doing anything about all the holes being drilled through its bottom, though.
Again, complete and utter nonsense. You’re thinking of performative protest, which is in no way, shape, or form what intersectionality is about.
False. Say what you will about the shitshow that is TMZ celebrity culture, but representation amongst the popular and powerful ABSOLUTELY helps marginalized people, in many ways big and small.
I’m still aware of that, yes. That’s obvious to anyone paying attention.
Yeah, that’s your main problem right there: you are so hyperfocused on Worker’s Rights 101 that you’re ignoring all other aspects of civil struggle.
You’re behaving like one of those “free market absolutionists” that keep going on about supply and demand controlling everything, completely ignoring all other economic factors.
Again with the strawmen and the non sequiturs 🤦🏻
I wasn’t familiar, so I looked her up. While I disagree with a lot if not most of what she has to say about anything else, here’s a quote from her from 1990, before the vast majority of the West had anything but unconditional support for the apartheid state:
Sounds pretty spot on to me, and very much the OPPOSITE of support for the apartheid state model
Anyway, that was a long and needless digression, given that intersectionality isn’t a “project” and even if it had been, she wouldn’t be a contemporary leader of it given some of her other views.
That’s EXACTLY the opposite of intersectionality. Are you drunk right now or do you just have the comprehension of a distracted toddler?
Again, that’s in no way a part of what intersectionality is. In fact, that’s very much an example of what intersectionality works AGAINST.
Not actually the worst idea, since its authoritarian nature makes it tendency towards harm greater than its potential for good. BANNING it would of course be going way too far, but yeah, not a fan of any inherently authoritarian ideology, and your rebranded Stalinism is no exception.
Marx was a European academic, and depending on whether you consider the western part of Russia (or even all of Russia as some do) European, so was Lenin.
Stalin was from Georgia, though, so maybe that’s why you don’t consider it European? Though that’s ALSO part of Europe, so you’re STILL not making any sense.