RetroFedSignal, DuckDuckGo, and NordVPN threaten to exit Canada if metadata surveillance law passes
VetOfTheSeashttps://www.techspot.com/news/112672-signal-duckduckgo-nordvpn-threaten-exit-canada-if-metadata.html
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Fuck, they just won’t quit with this bullshit.
Is there anything regular people can do to stop this?
The only thing you can do is protect the intelligensia who can help shape smart policy for a better future whilst also exiling* the billionaires and politicians (mostly the lifetime politicians who have no discernible skills other thank taking bribes and being corrupt pieces of shit).
*exiting or something more dramatic.
Move, Canada is a shit hole
Very helpful, I’ll up-root everything tomorrow.
Anywhere you recommend?
China. They will be the next super power and housing is cheap.
Oh yeah, and so little spying and the privacy of their citizens is respected, I know
You’re absolutely right, but if everyone goes authoritarian…they are likely to end up on top /s
Right. Like the license plate readers, and backdoor in every operating system, and phone tracking…. Wait we are talking about the US right?
No, the topic was Canada and moving to China for less surveillance and more privacy, my confused friend. The west is regressing to where China already is and then plus some.
Premadekrill(She/Her)Maybe I’m missing the vibe here, but are you guys still talking about the subject of this post? If so, just a heads-up: all three apps mentioned in the title have been banned in China for well over a decade.
Um idk man they got better healthcare than us down in the ole hickville USA. 😂
YerboutiCarney is basically pushing the 2015 conservative party program and everyone praises him. The “left” basically doesn’t exist anymore in Canada, you have the choice between the right and far-right. I’m so tired.
mfed1122Just give it another few years, and half the people with the same political views as you will tell you you’re equivalent to the far right unless you vote for the right! 🤗
Gonna need a VPN to connect to your VPN.
wizzkiddDoes Canada care? 😲
Nobody in Canada wants this to pass, only the police lobby that is intrumentalized to promote this is interested.
I am going to give you one guess on who wrote the bill and is pushing the police lobby. All LE in Canada has an existing relationship with this company.
Is there organizing happening up there? I’ve been disappointed at the amount of my friends and neighbors here in the US who understand it, contacted their congressperson, and then hung up their hat like the job was done.
My plan is to move away from things that can be tracked as much as possible. Dropping Android when I can no longer get GraphineOS working, moving to a dumb phone and a data hotspot with a cyberdeck the size of a phone.
The gov won’t listen on these issues because it is a law giving them more power. No amount of protesting is going to get them to stop spying because it is all supose to be secret anyway.
Yeah, but then we also need to rally about C-30, that re-authorizes all kind of known dangerous chemicals for the environment but also for our health, and rally against new pipelines, privatization of ports and airports, etc.
Move fast and break (every)thing, so when people complain too loudly, it’s too late, there’s nothing left to salvage, and they’re already putting their hand on something else to divest attention from everything else they broke so far.
We could break things back. If we truly united, our combined power could almost stop the rotation of the earth. It could certainly grind the global financial system to a halt.
Theres petitions and such going around and people are vocal about it, but no rallying up for it yet.
Yep. I use all of these, and it would be utter bullshit to lose access over poorly thought out lawmaking.
I assume it’s like a lot of things happening in the US. Does America care? Americans care. The country….
Could this be the start?
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Lets be real, NordVPN has done so many shady things themselve (fake limited time discount on their website which is illegal in many regions of the world), no one who knows about these and cares about data protection and privacy would use it anyway.
But nice that they add some pressure ig.
It’s an easy way for them to gain some reputation to monetize it later.
Why does humanity have to keep fighting the same fights against different governments over and over again?
Cannot governments, for once, be even slightly on the side of a free society?
Because we have capitalism.
States are built on control. They literally only exist because they are the dominant power structure in a specific area.
States pushing for more freedom is antithetical.
I agree with that (unlike the other answer I got to this; yeah, Soviet-aligned states were definitely very free societies amirite /s), but then again, sometimes there are more or less successful movements toward more freedom. The history of the 20th century alone is that of the century ending with much more freedom in the world than there was during most of it. How have we completely forgotten those values?
Yes. Just to be clear I’m not a pessimist, I don’t believe we can’t achieve more freedom. I’m just an anarchist. I believe to truly end domination and have self-determination, the move towards freedom must ultimately aim to end the state.
I think there are things we need some sort of state for… but certainly think its power should be limited so that it can’t do things like what this thread is about!
The problem is that tracking people is big money, so tech companies like Google, Meta, Palantir, Flock, etc stand to make a lot of money. So they’re heavily
bribinglobbying governments to make it easier to track peoplePlace your bets everyone, which way do you think this will go?
1) Canada doesn’t pass the surveillance law
2) The law passes and some/all of Signal/DDG/NordVPN remain anyway
3) The law passes and they exit Canada
4) (something else)
I’m thinking the law passes but the courts kill it due to it violating our Charter. I also feel that the tech companies will not wait for the court case to conclude before leaving Canada.
Or
#2 DDG might not leave, Signal might do something maliciously compliant, and NordVPN will just leave.
How could signal comply? It would ruin their brand.
Maliciously comply.
Maybe have the app available in Canada, but it only lets users email the government.
2 or 3
I guess signal has more to lose in reputation, than Canada brings them as country
For the other ones, I don’t know
XMPP, TOR, and a few 20 4get instances will still be there. All good.
4get.ca
I can now quickly identify various birds, minecraft areas, and those weird anime plushy things no problem.
See? It even comes with a brain teaser to keep you sharp. SearXNG eat your heart out.
What do they have over Canada? why should they care?
If Signal were to make a backdoor for the government, that would compromise the security of all users world-wide.
Indeed. Although I suspect there already is a back door for the US government, just not one anyone knows about.