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An Indian Trans Person’s Harrowing Encounter Fuels Backlash Against Meta AI ‘Pervert Glasses’
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JessicaWhy the fuck are these things legal???? How can one consent to a recording that is already taking place? I’m struggling to find a use case where glasses with cameras on them are useful.
Absolutely insane. These things should be banned. The temptation and ability for abuse far outweighs any benefit they may claim to provide.
Why is any of the surveillance that already exist everywhere around you, legal?
People are recording everything all the time with their phones anyway. That said, yeah, fuck these pervert glasses. I can see legit AR use cases like:
- going on vacation and having AR glasses highlight cultural/historical sites and give details
- vocational, fixing shit and having the glasses highlight what needs to be loosened/tightened/whatever next
- I always thought it would be cool to have like a FPS that let’s you play around your house with shit jumping out of rooms or closets or whatever
I’m sure there are more, but those are benevolent uses I can think of. As far as just walking around recording people, fuck that.
If you require LLM powered glasses to show you what to do next in a maintenance job you should not have a maintenance job. That’s what training and officially accredited qualifications are for.
This is without even going into the finer details of fault finding, diagnosis, risk assessment, personal safety (pervert glasses are not impact rated and pose a significant hazard in hazardous atmosphere environments, let alone the distraction of having a clanker chatting in your ear and flashing popups directly in your line of sight.)
If you want to know about the historical significance of an area while you are on holiday, then read about the area you are going to before you go, or buy a travel guide and support a historian or a writer that has spent their life researching the topic.
These glasses pose no purpose than harvesting data and recording people without their consent for the sake of the techbro panopticon.
Dang, why so antagonistic? I wasn’t thinking professional workers. I was thinking about fixing stuff around the house where the person doesn’t have the expertise. Of course you could just look at a book, but that’s always been true. There is no need for almost anything, if you want to be super pedantic. I thought that I had made my views pretty clear and they aren’t too different from what you wrote, aside from the weird looking-for-the-worst-possible-interpretation of my unclear wordsmithing. Sorry if I am replying too strongly, just had flashbacks from my second marriage.
I’m not a mindreader, just don’t like it when people try to defend multimillion dollar corporations known for disrespecting any and every notion of privacy to shill their newest piece of shit tech that serves no purpose but to harvest data by saying “but everyone already [imorally uses a tangentially related piece of technology] so what’s the problem with giving corporations the power to do this without restrictions?”
Feel free to try and fix a piece of equipment using a language model without expertise, nine times out of ten you’ll break it beyond repair or hurt yourself by doing something unsafe.
My condolences to your last marriage.
Not op, but i would say there are definite use cases for smart glasses/"eyes”. Yes, corporations are pushing it without restraint or common sense because capitalism, but the technology in principle is not necessarily evil.
We as a society are just struggling with the implications and long term effects that start to show now of omnipresent surveillance capitalism, and the people with a camera on their face are the most obvious and easy target. That is not to say that humans are not scum who use these for creepy stuff, but there are cameras everywhere, location data, metadata, microphones, GPS, wifi, comms towers, not to mention the software on all those devices.
We are being crept on all the time, but the geek wearing one on their face is too far. Understandable, but also hypocritical.
Given technological development, eventually we will have actual, invisible implants for these things. Smart eyes, enhanced ears. How will we cope with that? When you cant even tell that you are being actively livestreamed or recorded, or algorithmically analyzed for personal information?
That is not to say that humans are not scum who use these for creepy stuff, but there are cameras everywhere, location data, metadata, microphones, GPS, wifi, comms towers, not to mention the software on all those devices.
I also have an issue with these, and vehemently oppose them at every turn.
The human scum that develop, market and sell these things are also deserving of equal ire. The only difference is that they are the creators, not the direct end users, so they are harder to target with lawsuits due to the sheer size of the corporations and the amount of money being pushed into lobbying for their use (the “but its in the name of public safety!"/ “won’t someone think of the children!” Crowd are always used by these companies to astroturf public opinion through browbeating etc)
Where’s the hypocrisy? I’ve never suggested that these companies get a free pass to spy on people. Just because I’m verbal in my opposition to the use of permanently active cameras disguised as glasses does not mean I am not opposed to the panopticon we’ve been forced to grow up in.
Given technological development, eventually we will have actual, invisible implants for these things. Smart eyes, enhanced ears. How will we cope with that? When you cant even tell that you are being actively livestreamed or recorded, or algorithmically analyzed for personal information?
So by that logic, just because it might happen in the future, we shouldn’t fight against it and work towards getting the rights to walk the streets without surveillance by unknown agents written into law to protect our privacy?
To me that reads the same way as “Why should we do anything to stop climate change when the air we’re breathing is slowly becoming toxic? We’ll all be dead in a couple of decades anyway.” (Hyperbolic but along the same line of a defeatist “what’s the point in making things better now when they’re going to get worse?” arguing.)
I said everything is recorded by cell phones all the time. I wasn’t endorsing it, just stating the facts. I wish people concerned about privacy were more consistent. One of the many facts that I don’t like of modern life. And I certainly wasn’t trying to defend any existing company, just trying to see a possible beneficial use of technology.
And I wasn’t saying that isn’t a problem, merely addresing the issue at hand, which is that having cameras diguised as glasses (and provably used by perverts) is a very pressing matter.
I entirely agree that shady agencies having the ability to access personal device’s cameras and microphones is an issue, one which can and should be solved by having the right to not be recorded without your consent put into law.
I appreciate that there are potentially benefits to technology, but the reality is these technological advancements are being used by people with ill intent, no matter what the company that benefits from them being produced markets them as.
Youll have to forgive my ire and hopefully understand the reason behind it, since (to me, at least) the argument of “There are benefits to these technologies” sounds a lot like the arguments for the use of ‘AI’ while in the same way ignoring/understating the vast number of downsides and documented cases of its misuse.
No expectation of privacy in public I’m afraid :( not legally anyway.
mojofrododojoPrivacy, no, but many states have laws in place to prevent voyeurism - https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.44.115 for example. so creeping on women and children, even in public, is a class c felony.
Meta is already facing backlash for people using these things to harass workers and women, too.
https://www.businessinsider.com/instagram-meta-glasses-banning-pickup-prank-creeps-2026-7
That’s actually so good to hear, as a mom
the thing we must remember is none of this tech is actually inevitable. the people who portray it that way, comparing it to different (pen cams, pocket cameras etc) aren’t being genuine about the capabilities this hardware boasts - high resolution recording wherever they look, with the potential for all kinds of ai trashware - facial recognition, grok undressing etc., - and it’s fuckin disgusting how many portray it as ’oh well it’s gonna happen’.
No. Ostracize those who wear it, especially the ones disabling the recording lights.
AnUnusualRelicMaybe not in the US, but that’s not true on the rest of the planet.
Y’all know phones have cameras, right?
Are you implying that people shouldn’t be upset about the pervert glasses cameras because phones have cameras?
Calling them that because of the camera is undercut by everyone already carrying a camera, and routinely having them pointed toward you by holding the device.
The problem is the part where it automatically uploads shit to corporate spy agencies, not the hardware being a tiny phone on your face. The hardware is not meaningfully different from the tiny phone… in your hand.
I don’t know how you hold your phone but most people don’t hold them in a way where the camera is pointed towards people. In most circumstances it’s pretty easy to tell whether someone is just on their phone or is actively recording you.
And cars have cameras and flock has cameras and ring has cameras and TVs and monitors and microphones everywhere. Its insane ppls are bitching so much about these glasses when they let Google home listen to everything inside their home. Almost like it’s being fueled by competitors, rather than actual ppl.
I doubt it would be someone who also bought a pervert car and a pervert tv and a pervert doorbell and bugged their own home that would then bring up this problem with the pervert glasses.
What kind of competitor are you talking about?
ryannathansWhere exactly are you able to buy non pervert cars?
There’s also no good TVs that aren’t perverts either
The EU actually made it illegal to sell non pervert new cars, IIRC.
I honestly think this is more of a problem than the pervert glasses at this point. Park next to Tesla: smile, you’re on Nazi-cam. Even noticed an EV Mercedes had a front facing camera recently, because it was parked outside pointing directly in my windows. I guess that’s OG Nazi-cam.
Meta competitors. The fact you swallowed the “creep glasses” pr narrative and now want them banned is ridiculous given the creepy ass shit all these companies are already doing. Like, google home is listening to all your private conversations FFS, but that’s less creepy?
If you re-read my comment you’ll see I made no distinction between the levels of creepy in all the pervert devices.
But, I can simplify for you: it’s true that having a company/government spy on you is expected in this day and age, but that doesn’t mean it is acceptable. Home devices can be avoided if you care for your privacy. People buying camera glasses and wearing them in public, willingly turning themselves into walking IPTV cameras controlled by one of the shadiest data scooping companies in the world, are the very definition of useful idiots.
Have you ever described any other device similar to ‘creep device’? Probably not, or rarely ever.
Well, as you ignored that I just did it for like 4 different whole things which all existed before the Meta x RayBan Childsnappers, then I guess you’ll just keep creating your own conflicting narrative as a direct reply. So, sure, I’ve never called any technology creepy before.
Axolotland flock has cameras
USA issue
and ring has cameras
Luckly i never saw one where i live but anyway, i remember that there was a huge backlash against them some time ago
TVs and monitors
What sort of TVs you buy? Smart TVs? They stull don’t have a camera but that’s a skill issue if you buy one
insane ppls are bitching so much about these glasses when they let Google home listen to everything inside their home.
Jokes on you, i don’t have one and i removed Google Assistant from my devices lol, i also don’t see why it’s a problem to bitch about yet another camera around our streets
Are you a Meta employee or sum?
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And it turns out affluent Indians behave the exact same as affluent Americans that go around like creeps to record people. In this case, it was to effectively mock and dox them. And it clearly worked, because the influencer gets to hide behind a pseudonym in the article, while the trans person does not.
I’m so sick of this entire concept. And the fucking chuds that pop up and say “you have no expectation of privacy in public” fuck you, people do have rights in public when there’s a voyeur recording up their skirts or down their blouses. people - women and kids especially - deserve to live in a world where they aren’t recorded by every fucking sicko that walks by
There’s also laws in place if you’re in focus, that requires permission.
Sure I can take a picture of a plaza and if you happen to be on that photo, that’s bad luck. But I can’t zoom in on you garbling down a spinach roll.
For your scenario of going too close and forcing their way to film voyeur stuff, sounds like harassment
<.< I mean, you’re as disallowed to stick you’re face in those places just as much as you’re disallowed to stick a camera. This feels like a “think of the children” argument.
If I stick my phone in my shirt pocket, I can record and live stream it, how is the camera being mounted to my head any different?
Like, I get it. People are assholes, and I 100% agree that is the case. But assholes have been recording themselves doing asshole things for decades, this isn’t new behavior, and it feels like its being used to vilify tech for existing.
your argument is garbage, ignoring the reality that hardware has - who’d have fuckin thought it - come quite a long way in last 20 years.
also, your old glassholes were exceptionally low resolution AND didn’t have machine learning & facial recognition behind them
people are assholes and you’re excusing their shitty behavior and defending their increasingly creepy technology
think it’s gonna get better if we continue to ignore it?
Fuck man, you’re right. Let’s ban cameras in general, they can be used for creepy things. Ban phones too, those can be used for creepy things.
The tech is useful, and has potential to become much more useful in the future. Being a Luddite about the tech doesn’t solve the problem, it just ignores the assholes.
fuck man, I am right, but your churlish hyperbole is noted, do you need a nappy?
problem is people like you are perfectly willing to sacrifice the safety of others because you don’t give a fuck.
Did you even read the article posted?
The article which does nothing to suggest meta glasses were actually an integral part to this? Again, cell phone in shirt pocket. Accomplishes the same thing. Or hell, a pen cam which is a thing that’s been around for decades and is a fraction of the cost.
The problem is that an asshole decided to ignore the “no recording” request. There are dozens if not hundreds of discreet ways the asshole could have done this, in the same way there are dozens of tools you can use to break a window.
Who are the creepy engineers that work on these products? They need to be shamed too.
I wonder if I can sue Ray-ban for ruining my glasses? I wear the heavy frame Ray-bans and now all this negative shit comes out after. I get looked at like I’m a perv…
Maybe force them to replace them?
It’s worth a shot! IIRC a bunch of French people sued Tesla for similar reasons in order to get out of their multi year lease contracts.
Technically you can sue anyone for anything. Whether you’re going to win a judgment, or be rewarded more than you spend winning is a different question.
It was more me venting as like everything meta/fb touches turns to shit… And this time its effecting me directly.
If I were you, I’d tape the glasses in the places where the cameras and microphones would be if they were Meta glasses. That way, people who look at the glasses would think that even if you actually had cameras and microphones in your glasses, you taped them. I’m not sure if this would work, but I think it’s worth a try…
Sure bud, you should go ahead and do that.