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Bombshell lawsuit alleges that RAM manufacturers are colluding to drive up prices. Three companies that account for 90% of RAM revenue are being sued for anti-competitive practices. Samsung, SK Hynix…
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between 1998 and 2002, these same three companies, Samsung, Hynix (the predecessor of SK Hynix), and Micron, took part in a criminal conspiracy to fix the prices of DRAM …
As a result, several Samsung executives went to prison.
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Eternal192That’s not a fucking bombshell, this was known for 30 years, it’s only now that people are noticing because prices went up 400-500%.
But i don’t have much hope in this lawsuit because those that are in charge of these companies and their investors should be held accountable, but due to criminals making laws to protect themselves they’ll get a slap on the wrist and a few million to pay and we won’t get the pre rampocalypse prices back.
I don’t get it.
Do they not all have the incentive to drive up ram prices? How is colluding any worse than every player being aware of what benefits them and acting accordingly?
The distinction lies in competitive risk. Under independent action, if one firm cuts supply to raise prices, rivals are incentivized to increase production to steal market share, which naturally caps price hikes. Under collusion, firms agree to cut supply simultaneously, eliminating this competitive check. This creates artificial scarcity, allowing all participants to charge monopoly prices without fear of being undercut. The lawsuit argues this is especially damaging in the DRAM market, where $15–20 billion entry barriers prevent new competitors from entering to discipline prices.
rivals are incentivized to increase production to steal market share
How so? Wouldn’t you be incentivized to also cut supply to raise prices knowing that your “competition” is in the same boat?
The logic you outlined only works if there are many, many players, not a handful.
You’re seeing an oligopoly in a prisoner’s dilemma. I’ll try to better explain what I thought I said at the end of my last post:
The suit alleges that because these three firms control ~95% of the market and face huge entry barriers ($20B+ for a new fab), they successfully suppress the natural incentive to compete. Instead of one firm expanding to capture the DDR4 market (which would lower prices), they allegedly coordinated to all exit that market simultaneously, creating an artificial scarcity that independent self-interest would rarely sustain.
When this prisoner’s dilemma operates “correctly”, every firm fears being the “sucker” who cuts production while others don’t. This fear often forces them to compete (produce more) rather than collude, keeping prices lower than they would be under a true monopoly.
The lawsuit argues that the market should naturally suffer from this instability, protecting consumers. Collusion removes this natural check.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jVzeHTlWIDY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9A-eeJP0J7c It been like this since the 90s and we still haven’t done shit about it.
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Can you really call it a bombshell when they’re doing it out in the open? And everybody can see they are doing it? And they are in no way trying to hide it or justify their actions?
The lawsuit is the bombshell I guess?
Also it wasn’t obvious to me that RAM manufacturers were artificially inflating prices. It’s plausible to me that the stupid AI bubble is actually consuming that much of the supply.
This isn’t even the first time these exact three companies have been caught doing this. Their executives even went to prison last time.
Article says this is about DDR3 and DDR4 RAM, so it seems unlikely data centers are directly to blame.
Not only that, on multiple occasions they even said it in interviews that years in advance there were agreements between them and plans on the future.
Fuck my life, everything is a grift and a cash grab, monopolies are everywhere and our lives get shittier by the day
Our planet is a resort for the Epstein class and we’re the servants
And a ton of dipshits voted for the people who said they were going to do just that, and are surprised that it did, just that.
I know I know, but they are not even trying to hide it anymore
It just is the most efficient way to make money short term, so its the capitalist way to go. We’re in the endgame now.
Truly last stage capitalism
I’m shocked. Shocked I say.
Well, not that shocked.
I’d like to see a lawsuit like this against OpenAI.
They bought a combined total of 40% of the world’s 2026 memory production- not as usable modules, but as finished wafers. Those wafers have to be sliced into individual chips, which are then tested (binned) and packaged into modules, which themselves get mounted on a PCB with some support circuity to make a DIMM.
OpenAI (as far as I know) doesn’t have the equipment to do that.
So chances are those finished wafers are either in the trash or sitting in a warehouse somewhere.
Question becomes- to what end? To drive up prices for other AI companies? To manipulate the market and then sell those wafers in small batches at great premium?
IMHO- unless they can show those wafers have been processed packaged and put in servers, they should also be sued.
Is this only based on the assumption that they don’t own their own equipment to manufacture DIMMs, or is there some other context to support this?
I would have guessed that they’d send the wafers to some company who has the equipment. That would seem pretty normal to me (though all of my manufacturing experience was with much simpler products at a much smaller scale).
I’ve not been able to find any solid intel on what actually happened to the wafers.
Thing is though- cutting wafers and packaging can be done at any fab so in theory they could find an older fab with excess capacity and pay them to do some of it.
Binning however requires some more specialized equipment, that from what I understand is more specific to the type of chips you’re making. This is where you test each individual chip- out of a wafer you’ll get some great ones, some good ones, some bad ones, and some that don’t work at all. Thus ‘binning’ is taking a stream of chips and sorting them into bins by their maximum speed, stability, etc.
You might find a fab that has the equipment to bin DRAM chips but not the means to manufacture those chips. Still it seems an odd use of resources to get into the chip production business when your core business has nothing to do with chips.
IMO, nothing (or, more accurately: everything) is odd in the AI industry. AI companies have had to buy compute resources from rivals. Hardware manufacturers can’t ramp up fast enough to meet demand. Data centers can’t be built fast enough. Energy production is a bottleneck. Three Mile Island is being resurrected. SpaceX now owns xAI, plans to buy Cursor, and is unironically considering building data centers in orbit. Software security vulnerabilities are being discovered/revealed at an alarming rate.
Honestly, OpenAI buying wafers seems kinda tame at this point 😅
Okay fine I’ll play factorio all weekend
They did not buy the RAM. They said they want to buy 40% of the world RAM and then they said nope we cancel. It was a non binsing agreemant.
My prediction is: There will be a settlement. Neither party will admit wrongdoing. The settlement money will go to the lawyers. The corporations’ right to manipulate the market will be enshrined.
They’ll pay the government a big fine, but still keep 99% of the profits from their crime. None of it will benefit the consumers who are the victims.
This is always about paying the government its vig. Uncle Sam needs to get his beak wet.
I am in Japan where they have just discovered a cartel of ice cream manufacturers pushing up prices. Supply and demand. This is capitalism, baby!
This is a lawsuit, right? It’ll go through a few judges’ hands on appeals and what not and by the time the companies get their slap on the wrist in 2-5 years they will have made so much money it doesn’t matter.
Of what I’ve read about Japan, a cartel being considered something bad in the society is an improvement.
Can you elaborate? As someone living in Japan for over 15 years, I’m not sure what you mean? Are you implying we welcomed cartels in the past?
More oligopolies than cartels, but zaibatsu are a common stereotype as something culturally normal for Japan, yes.
Yeah but I didn’t think price controlling was that big of a deal because it was always a race to the bottom hence the deflation. They even tried to break up the mobile phone prices by introducing more mvnos. But you’re right; now that you mention it, zaibatsu and mega holdings are pretty common in Japan and people don’t seem to know or care.
This but unironically.
Cartels are illegal for a reason though so interesting to see if the RAM situation has been a cartel.
Supply and demand sounds nice, but then innocent citizens can still get arrested for following their own economic interests and chipping in on a GoFundMe whose only crime was hiring a ninja to threaten these RAM company assholes who are too rich for normal laws to keep them in check.
This is a joke, of course. I would never do anything like that - because I don’t understand how BitCoin works. I mean, because of moral and good citizen reasons. That was another joke, your honor.
Shocked Kirk meme.
Disgusting!
So, business as usual?
Shocker… Said nobody.
Now do the same thing with all the other industries colluding to drive up prices. Maybe we can get rid of this pesky old capitalism piecemeal.
So annoying that technology is so much more expensive these days. My steam deck is getting old and still appreciating in value its not how this is supposed to work. Like what the fuck. I am really fucking pissed. My old laptop from 2022 has 64GB of ram. I shouldn’t have to beg for more than 16GB of ram. Glad I built my server before all this nonsense started my $400 memory kit now retails for $4000. AI is complete fucking bullshit. It can’t be trusted at all. Every single google has wrong answers. Can’t even find legitimate websites anymore. We are so fucked. LLMs aren’t good and they never will be. Like yeah they can be useful but everyone is using them the wrong way. I started poisoning my reddit posts out of spite. Fuck them all. Ugggghhhhhhhhhhhh