Agreed! I’ll take it a step further that they need to face bankruptcy over this!
The problem is that even if everyone paid for YouTube’s subscription, they’d raise the price, slash the features, and reintroduce ads unless you pay for an even more expensive tier. Just like Netflix.
Why? Because advertising companies will always be giving more money to YouTube than the users. The only thing paying YouTube gets you is the Sunk Cost fallacy.
TV over the air had ads to pay for the TV shows and channels you watched because they couldn’t really secure the signal they sent out. but also it wasn’t really supposed to be secure in the first place. but TV production was expensive. so you got commercials, ads and sponsors when you watched.
then cable TV came about. cable TV was supposed to be ad free because you were paying. but then they would have had to fill in for segments when over the air TV was showing ads so instead of that they just showed the same ads and got paid for it. that’s double dipping.
not defending youtube or ads in general, but technically the ad companies don’t pay unless the ad is viewed/served, or only pay depending on how much of the ad is viewed. they aren’t double dipping like this is implying.
youtube is only getting paid if an ad is shown, and depending on the duration of the ad only for the duration of the ad that is shown to the end user. for like s skippable ad, for the first 30 seconds you can’t skip they get paid for that 30 seconds, but if ithe ad is longer say a minute, but the skip button appears after 30 and you press the skip button youtube only gets paid for the 30seconds the ad was displayed. if you don’t skip then they get paid for the amount of time the ad was shown.
if you pay for youtube premium, then they don’t show ads, they don’t get paid for ads not shown. but that’s why you are giving them money. to compensate for the “lost revenue” they aren’t getting from ads.
and for things like adblockers, the ads are not served therefore don’t qualify for being billed and youtube doesn’t get paid. and youtube pays channels based on performance of ads being displayed, and that’s why a lot of channels have both ad spots and sponsor segments. that and youtube doesn’t pay real good for ad revenue unless you are a huge channel.
and then sponsor block skips sponsor sections for you and some sponsors/channels don’t care the contract was do a sponsor segment and those contracts are outside of youtube itself so youtube doesn’t get paid for them, that’s why there isn’t a sponsor skip action when you pay for premium. but i fear sponsors will corrupt and start doing contracts where they track how many times a segment was viewed and pay out based on that metric too.
Same for me, revanced takes what feels like an entire minute or more before starting playback. And quality settings are not available. Is there a revanced community here on Lemmy?
Pretty sure revanced has been abandoned. Morphe works perfectly fine, though I’ve had at least one instance since using it, that it stopped functioning, but just required an update. Using morphe for both youtube and youtube music.
Not to be that guy, but it’s actually
Companies pay the running cost of YouTube (plus a little bit of pocket money for the creators whose videos you watch) so you can watch free of charge, in exchange for this they get to show you a video. I don’t like Google either and rob them of their income by using an adblocker. Though if nobody pays and nobody watches ads they might find even worse ways to pay the bills.
Yeah Google sucks, didn’t want to defend them but the business model in general. Companies should not be allowed to sell data. Them collecting your data as part of their ad business is one thing, but selling it shouldn’t be allowed imo.
This. If you want to collect analytics for in house decision making, merchandising, whatever, I say go for. But as soon as you start selling that data or the conclusions thereof, it becomes a currency, and if I’m paying that currency you better not be asking me for another.
Well, yeah. Companies pay youtube to show you ads on their platform; this lets youtube stay free for users while still being an unbelievably expensive operation (not debating the ethics just - that’s how the funding works). As an alternative, youtube gives you the option of paying them directly to buy the space ads would normally have bid on, and then blank it out. They get a steady monthly revenue stream, even if it’s less than they’d be making by selling that ad space, and you get no ads.
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Paying YouTube? Ads?
Yup, they actually get people to do that. Not me either but here we are.
What’s an ad?
Only on the webpage… without adblocker… so basically no protection.
I don’t pay and don’t get ads either. Stop being a sucker. Yes, I am fine with them going bankrupt if everyone would do that.
Fine with it? I’m waiting for it!
Agreed! I’ll take it a step further that they need to face bankruptcy over this!
The problem is that even if everyone paid for YouTube’s subscription, they’d raise the price, slash the features, and reintroduce ads unless you pay for an even more expensive tier. Just like Netflix.
Why? Because advertising companies will always be giving more money to YouTube than the users. The only thing paying YouTube gets you is the Sunk Cost fallacy.
Fair enough, but dont whine when Youtube circumvents adblockers and starts injecting ads directly into video streams. You did this.
If Spite brings spite: you’re not on the high road looking down
Google:
I hate my government for forcing Imgur to be blocked :(
Next up, you pay a subscription AND you watch ads!
Amazon: “hey, stop copying me!”
What, like cable television?
TV over the air had ads to pay for the TV shows and channels you watched because they couldn’t really secure the signal they sent out. but also it wasn’t really supposed to be secure in the first place. but TV production was expensive. so you got commercials, ads and sponsors when you watched.
then cable TV came about. cable TV was supposed to be ad free because you were paying. but then they would have had to fill in for segments when over the air TV was showing ads so instead of that they just showed the same ads and got paid for it. that’s double dipping.
This is already happening with imbedded ads from content creators.
We pay YouTube not to shows ads, then youtubers imbed ads in videos. So we pay to watch ads.
Sponsorblock my friend. It’ll automatically skip embedded ads. https://sponsor.ajay.app/
Typical American company.
not defending youtube or ads in general, but technically the ad companies don’t pay unless the ad is viewed/served, or only pay depending on how much of the ad is viewed. they aren’t double dipping like this is implying.
youtube is only getting paid if an ad is shown, and depending on the duration of the ad only for the duration of the ad that is shown to the end user. for like s skippable ad, for the first 30 seconds you can’t skip they get paid for that 30 seconds, but if ithe ad is longer say a minute, but the skip button appears after 30 and you press the skip button youtube only gets paid for the 30seconds the ad was displayed. if you don’t skip then they get paid for the amount of time the ad was shown.
if you pay for youtube premium, then they don’t show ads, they don’t get paid for ads not shown. but that’s why you are giving them money. to compensate for the “lost revenue” they aren’t getting from ads.
and for things like adblockers, the ads are not served therefore don’t qualify for being billed and youtube doesn’t get paid. and youtube pays channels based on performance of ads being displayed, and that’s why a lot of channels have both ad spots and sponsor segments. that and youtube doesn’t pay real good for ad revenue unless you are a huge channel.
and then sponsor block skips sponsor sections for you and some sponsors/channels don’t care the contract was do a sponsor segment and those contracts are outside of youtube itself so youtube doesn’t get paid for them, that’s why there isn’t a sponsor skip action when you pay for premium. but i fear sponsors will corrupt and start doing contracts where they track how many times a segment was viewed and pay out based on that metric too.
During an ad break you need another ad break.
Ray(ad break)cons
Now that is some Quality content so worth the money.
No tf we don’t. YouTube ReVanced, YouTube Morphe, uBlock Origin
And sponsorblock.
For some reason either morphe and revanced are stuttering for me recently
Same for me, revanced takes what feels like an entire minute or more before starting playback. And quality settings are not available. Is there a revanced community here on Lemmy?
Pretty sure revanced has been abandoned. Morphe works perfectly fine, though I’ve had at least one instance since using it, that it stopped functioning, but just required an update. Using morphe for both youtube and youtube music.
Force close the app and clear the cache, that fixes it for me.
Smart tube on my older Sony android tv
Nope. My adblocker is free.
Every day brings us closer to AD BS.
Not to be that guy, but it’s actually Companies pay the running cost of YouTube (plus a little bit of pocket money for the creators whose videos you watch) so you can watch free of charge, in exchange for this they get to show you a video. I don’t like Google either and rob them of their income by using an adblocker. Though if nobody pays and nobody watches ads they might find even worse ways to pay the bills.
Google wants to get paid thrice for YouTube. That’s not okay.
I’ll consider allowing ads when they stop harvesting and selling data - until then, that data is my payment.
They don’t get to show ads, sell our data, and charge a subscription. I’m tired of paying twice for shit.
Yeah Google sucks, didn’t want to defend them but the business model in general. Companies should not be allowed to sell data. Them collecting your data as part of their ad business is one thing, but selling it shouldn’t be allowed imo.
This. If you want to collect analytics for in house decision making, merchandising, whatever, I say go for. But as soon as you start selling that data or the conclusions thereof, it becomes a currency, and if I’m paying that currency you better not be asking me for another.
What like… Charge influencers to upload their shit videos? Oh sweet baby Jesus, that would be amazing!
The meme is talking about YouTube Premium who’s main selling point is ad-free viewing
Well, yeah. Companies pay youtube to show you ads on their platform; this lets youtube stay free for users while still being an unbelievably expensive operation (not debating the ethics just - that’s how the funding works). As an alternative, youtube gives you the option of paying them directly to buy the space ads would normally have bid on, and then blank it out. They get a steady monthly revenue stream, even if it’s less than they’d be making by selling that ad space, and you get no ads.
Need a tier for ad free, data collection free viewing.
I rather pay for good entertainment than watch ads for bad entertainment.
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I mean
How do you expect Youtube to make money
Ray(insert another ad here)cons.
I watched MST3K recently (a show that clearly denotes when classic network commercials would come on)
They mentioned commercials AFTER YouTube had already shown a 1 minute ad break.
We are late for a competitor.
What rule of acquisition is that?
Also: “and this is who is sponsoring me to show my shit on YouTube”
My fave is when there’s an ad break during an ad.
Some companies like Hulu only show people ads that pay for them
people paying YOUTUBE subscriptions are pretty much suckered into it,
Capitalism 101: cause a problem. Get paid for the solution.
Also ignore any collateral or conscience.
I WOULD pay them not to show ads if they weren’t greedy AF.
Give me a family acct. Just youtube, no adds, no music, $15 a month.
Only demand my family members connect from home once every 90 days.
There is NO reason for Youtube to charge as much for their c-rate content than Studios producing actual shows/movies.