SnoopSqueak, snoopsqueak@lemmy.today

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Another polish article about this: https://naukawpolsce.pl/aktualnosci/news%2C367624%2Cuniwersytet-medyczny-odcina-sie-od-badan-ws-cudu-w-sokolce.html

The Medical University of Białystok officially distances itself from the results of these studies and emphasizes that the university does not endorse them.

One of the most valuable things about science is the consistent ability for anyone to repeat the experiment and get the same result. Why does the catholic church keep hiding from showing us that it is true?

“We did not do this as a university,” Chyczewski told PAP, adding that the tests were conducted illegally, “quietly,” outside the official channels. They took place at the Academic Department of Pathomorphological Diagnostics. Chyczewski emphasizes that the university was not commissioned to perform these tests, and the study was not registered anywhere. “Please do not attribute the diagnosis to any specific department operating within the institution called the Medical University,” Chyczewski wrote in his statement.

Why didn’t they collaborate with the university, if they have legitimate evidence?

Professor Chyczewski believes that his colleagues who made the diagnosis made a “schoolboy error” by trying to combine theology and biology, which, in his opinion, is impossible.

Because biology is evident and theology is not.

Just a few weeks ago, when the news of the tests became public, Archbishop Ozorowski said: “We are dealing with an extremely subtle matter. If we confess that this is the body of Christ, we cannot just cut it into pieces and subject it to tests. We must exercise caution and a certain fear.”

Fear of your own savior? Fear of your “loving” god’s punishment for proving his own existence? This same god who once loved when his own creations were eviscerated and cooked now is squeamish? Ohhhh, no, I get it, he’s only offended when it’s his OWN flesh that gets… Wait, what about Jesus, though? He was willing to make that sacrifice, but not this one?

Please stop defending catholicism. It is a death cult. People are dying for your false beliefs.

But without detailed reports? You just take them at their word?

You believe god is all-powerful, yes? And you believe this is how he chooses to interact with us?

Why would I do that when it’s not my claim? The onus is on you to show that they were disallowed.

If you can disprove the contents of the article you chose to criticize, please do.

I know what the article and the headline say. Your initial criticism is still invalid.

Can you find a source that says they were allowed to resubmit the post?

I do not have a facebook account to see the group page for myself. According to the article, the criticism was not reposted. It was banned there, as reflected by the headline.

They asked about submitting the post for approval

…which was ignored. Instead:

they were offered a meeting with Acton.

…which turned out to be a lie.

Where do you get the idea that they were allowed to resubmit the post?

the Ohio Democratic Party had demanded the criticism be removed. The caucus protested, appealed, but then relented. The criticism never went back up.

It was banned.

No. Remember? They tried that:

After deleting the original statement, we promptly asked about submitting the post for approval through the proper channels so that it could be reposted. At this point, ODP staff informed us that a meeting with Acton was on the table. After thorough discussion, caucus leadership determined this offer aligned with our goal to bring our message directly to her.

They got tricked into attending a meeting without Acton. And some of them weren’t allowed into the meeting.

That isn’t the question. The question is “why can’t the original posters resubmit through the proper channels”? Because it was banned.

The page where it could do the most good. Why is that not enough for you? It is still a ban.

Sokolka went through electron microscopy, and serratia tests.

How do we know that?

I found a Polish newspaper article suggesting the research was amateurishly performed and should have been more extensive. I used the auto-translate feature that my browser has, I can’t guarantee accuracy.

https://www.rp.pl/kosciol/art7471901-co-sie-naprawde-stalo-w-sokolce

What kind of research did Professor Sulkowski perform? It’s unclear exactly. He enigmatically replies that it fell within the scope of his specialty.

However, he refuses to say how the nuclei were arranged in the fiber of the tissue he examined. “Such questions fall within the purview of the appropriate commission investigating the miracle,” he says, cutting the conversation short.

DNA testing would precisely indicate whether the tissue being examined is human or animal, and whether it’s male or female. “We would determine with a high degree of probability what region of the world it comes from. We would dispel any doubts,” assures Professor Śliwka.

Prof. Chyczewski: – The Archbishop was not interested in conducting such research. I was told that since the material was believed to be of miraculous origin, there was no need to bother with it any further.

Did he even publish his results? There should be images, evidence. So far we still just have claims.

They posted to Facebook. The post was taken down, allegedly because they did not go through proper channels to post it. Their requests to return the post to Facebook were met with invitations to a shitty zoom call they couldn’t enter with a person who did not attend.

that specific criticism isn’t banned because we just read that criticism in a substack

It remains forbidden from being posted on their Facebook page.

I appreciate you trying to hold headline authors accountable, but I don’t see how this headline is inaccurate.

Ohio Dem Party Has Banned Criticism Of Gov. Candidate Amy Acton Calling Trans Girls “Boys”

I think it is future-proof, too. Even if the post is restored, the fact remains that it was once banned.

That is a letter, not a report.

I have not been able to find the report myself, but other scientists have commented on it, including catholic “scientists":

DR. KELLY KEARSE, A CHEMIST SPECIALIZING IN BLOOD RESEARCH AND IMMUNOLOGY AND A TEACHER AT KNOXVILLE CATHOLIC HIGH SCHOOL, IS CALLING FOR THE USE OF MORE ACCURATE RESEARCH METHODS IN INVESTIGATING THE SHROUD OF TURIN AND OTHER RELIGIOUS PHENOMENA THOUGHT TO BE DIVINE.

Dr. Kearse points out important natural explanations that were never addressed. Until those are ruled out as causes, it is premature to claim a miracle.

It seems remarkable that all five test for the same, rare blood type. But there is a problem: the A and B antigens are not unique to humans. Since the 1960s, biologists have known that bacteria cells also have A and B antigens on their surfaces. Hence, if a sample is contaminated with bacteria, even if it contains no blood at all, it could still show a type AB blood result in this test.

A “very low concentration of human DNA” is indicative of handling contamination. In forensic DNA tests, trace amounts of DNA from humans who touch a sample can be unintentionally amplified, and reports say the hosts were touched by several people.

https://etcatholic.org/2025/01/exaggerations-and-eucharistic-miracles/

Dumb fuck, it’s not all-or-nothing. Specific criticism that could make a positive difference is being censored. I’m sorry you fucked up, but please stop pretending otherwise. It was an easy mistake, but a harmful one. We should not downplay what is happening here, criticism was banned.

Interesting, I’d love to see the report. Ah, it’s linked at the bottom of the article. Hmm, the link is unsafe, certificate expired two years ago. I proceeded with caution and saw… a 404 error.

There is no evidence of this supposed miracle.

Its not special pleading if its ACTUALLY special.

But it’s not actually special, evidently. Evidently, it does not exist, and special pleading is your excuse for believing it.

We are not of a different nature. For man has the nature of man, and a pig the nature of a pig.

I have the nature of me, you have the nature of you. It’s arbitrary, meaningless.

1. the basic or inherent features, character, or qualities of something

Example: helping them to realize the nature of their problems

You haven’t answered anything. I can just say the nature of the universe is the universe. The nature of god is that he does not exist.

Try getting more specific.

Your words:

But sure, let’s frame it as banning all criticism.

Criticism has been banned.

But you never proved or defined “god”.

Anyway, even catholic scientists admit your example is not a miracle: https://drjulesgomes.substack.com/p/catholic-scientists-debunk-assertions

Catholic scientists are now urging the faithful to be cautious about claims that eucharistic miracles have been scientifically proven, as unconsecrated hosts tested under similar conditions have also shown similar “bleeding” appearances.

Peer-reviewed studies published by Catholic scientists who believe in Christ’s real presence in the Eucharist have also dismissed assertions that the miracles were validated by research carried out by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the United Nations (UN).

Would you like to try another? Spoiler: they’re all bullshit, magic isn’t real. Please use your brain.

I can’t steel-man something that is blatantly false. You repeatedly insisted that they were not banning criticism. You pretended that by offering a direct meeting instead of allowing the criticism to be reposted, they were not banning any criticism.

Now what happened? She didn’t show up to the meeting and the trans people she should have apologized to were prevented from even attending.

Acton and her team are still pretending they have done nothing wrong, are still actively shielding themselves from consequences of their bad decisions.

Criticism has been banned again.

Do you still think they were being fair?

https://lemmy.today/post/57542998

Inside sources who have gone public now say the “listening session” was a debacle. Acton did not show up, her campaign manager barred Arienne Childrey—Vice Chair of the party’s Pride Caucus, a transgender candidate for the Ohio House, and Ohio’s first openly trans city council member—from even entering the Zoom call. When another advocate demanded to know why Childrey was barred, she was ejected. The Chair of the Progressive Caucus, Kim McCarthy, was locked in the waiting room during the entire “listening session.” And in the end, the campaign ultimately refused to apologize for calling trans girls “boys,” refused to retract Acton’s support for a transgender sports ban, and ended the meeting with no plans for what come next.