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Texas Republicans may regret mandating Bible in classes
sanitationhttps://www.salon.com/2026/07/01/texas-republicans-may-regret-mandating-bible-in-classes/
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I’ve heard nothing encourages atheism better than Catholic School.
People learn nothing makes sense and everything is a sin. So why bother anymore?
TheTechnician27Read the Bible in full the summer before sixth grade because, well, it’s the actual word of God, and eternity is infinitely more important than some 70-odd years. Besides, I’d already read Genesis and Exodus, and those were pretty interesting on their own.
I did not spend sixth grade as a Christian.
Edit: I will say, though, that Genesis has some crazy red flags I sort of just glossed over at the time, like the Levite’s concubine.
UnderpantsWeevilYMMV. There’s layers to this cake. One of the most notable is in how it’s deliberately excluding other religious beliefs. If you are a practicing Muslim, for instance, you get singled out and tormented by state officials if you demonstrate any kind of piety that isn’t state-approved. Similarly, outspoken atheists (or squishy liberal Methodists or Unitarians) become lightening rods for school admins looking to prove they’re zealous enough in their Christianization to drop the hammer on non-believers.
All lot of the second order effects of this won’t be just annoying students with Christianity until they dislike it as much as they dislike Math. It’s going to be opening up naked harassment and bullying of non-Christians, while turning the school bureaucracy against anyone who is outwardly non-conforming.
I vividly remember this happening in my own Middle/High School life, way back in the 90s, when Evolution and Gay were the whipping kids of the religious right. The end result was lots of good people being purged from the system for petty and arbitrary reasons, while a lot of utter assholes got cushy positions in the school board and upper wings of the administrative offices to rubber stamp the abuse.
joelle_ethercatholic school turned me into a idealistic hippie xD
Jo MiranI, an atheist, was forced to study the bible in a Catholic school I attended. First, it turned me into an atheist. Second, it made me realize that Jesus was a hard core anti establishment communist.pacifist.
switcherooChristiofascists HATE when you quote the actual Bible to them
Quasit@switcheroo @VetOfTheSeas
I have quoted the Bible to some people online who leapt to the conclusion that I was Christian. When I told them that I was not, they generally freaked out. One of them threatened to kill me.
I can personally attest to this. Once I critically engaged with the Bible, I almost instantly became an atheist.
But it wasn’t until I read Milton’s paradise lost that I saw the Bible more as a piece of literary work, and really related to the character of Lucifer and engaged with the philosophy of rebellion
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I took an AP level world theology class my senior year of high school, and it was taught by the senior priest at my school. She, thankfully, taught it from a quite just dispassionate point of view, placing Christianity on an even level with every other religion we discussed, showing it both no favoritism, and positioning it, alongside the others, with no particular validity.
She could clearly see that I was quite quickly progressing towards a position of atheism, and I was very much getting the feeling that it was a position she, even as a priest, held as well. There was a silent understanding between us. And I felt a bit of camaraderie with her.
I learned an awful lot from that class. About different cultures and different societies and how different belief systems were formed. About how and why different people came to believe the things they do and why. It taught me a lot about different people and different perspectives. It might’ve been the best humanities course I ever took. and, because I was the only one who took the course, it was pretty much one on one.
The more you learn about religion in general, the clearer it becomes that it is entirely a mechanism to control the people. It is such a good mechanism for it, in fact, that literally EVERY culture throughout history has employed it for that very use.
DiplomjodlerObviously they need to use the new “Bible According to St. Trump”, not that woke old thing.
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Holding it upside down, such a perfect metaphor. He probably didn’t know how to hold it because he doesn’t know what the fuck a book actually is.
honestheneryHe looks like a baby who shit his pants
watsonThey plan on teaching them out of context and only including those about obeying. This will be like going to a mega church.
Uriel238 [all pronouns]I suspect the new law was not actually considered at length but was, as Dan McClellan might suggest, used by legislators as costly signaling to show their campaign contributors that they are true white Christian nationalists and therefore worth the money being thrown their way.
But yes, kids will get impatient at bible passages just as much as they were impatient with Animal Farm or The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas or To Kill A Mockingbird
(I speak from experience. I was introduced to classics in elementary grammar school and entirely unable to appreciate why they were so profound until much later in life when I could think about them critically.)
And yeah, those kids smart enough to think about bible passages critically will be on the fast-track to personal faith deconstruction.
When I was 12 it was customary in my family’s religion to become baptized. It isn’t done for babies but for older children and adults to decide for themselves. I decided I should read the whole Bible before I committed. I ended up leaving the religion. My parents were starting to question it as well and also left around that time. Many of the people I know who have left that or other Christian religions have done so after they finally read the Bible themselves and not the select verses in church services. Not everyone who reads it leaves, some find what they need to stay, but from personal experience it is many more leaving than staying.
When you force students to read something, there is no book so good the students won’t hate it. The Bible is miserable to read even when you’re not forced.
Actually, Tess of the D’Urbervilles wasn’t so bad, I guess.
Twud be hilarious if that’s what they needed this whole time in order to be more Christ like. 12 years of homework to read their one book.
As soon as they get to Numbers or Judges students will see some big problems with American Christianity.
Texas is such a fly over state…
There’s a lot of guns there, make sure you fly at a higher altitude so they don’t try to make you join them.
I feel like you have a different definition of “fly over state” than is commonly used.
As I understand it, FOS are states in which no one lives, no cultural value, and there is nothing much to see; like tornado alley or Nevada. Texas has 4 of the top 10 most populous cities in the US, and Austin, which has a million residents, is probably gunna break into that list soon. Because of this large population, there is a fuckload of cultural diversity. Texas has coastal vies as well as a couple super underrated national parks. There is a solid 12 hrs of driving between that with nothingness, which may be what you’re referring to, but its just a big state.
That being said, if you’re making this statement due to that massive void in the middle of the state, then add Cali to the list of FOS, but good luck getting that idea into the public square unscathed.
EldritchHopefully the teachers will maliciously comply as much as they can. Teaching the parts Republicans hate.
artyomTeachers probably have enough to deal with without irate parents screaming at them.
Parents already scream at them over nothing. I think they would enjoy doing something to actually earn it for once. Especially by complying with this stupid law.
I think you underestimate the level of bullshit that they already deal with.
And the stupidity of Americans, which is exemplified by the stupidity of Texans
HanrahanMatthew 6:24
No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
Leviticus 25:23
The land shall not be sold permanently, for the land is Mine; for you are strangers and sojourners with Me.
Ezekiel 16:49
Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
James 5:1-6
Come now, you rich people, weep and wail for the miseries that are coming to you. Your riches have rotted, and your clothes are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have rusted, and their rust will be evidence against you, and it will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure during the last days. Listen! The wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in pleasure; you have nourished your hearts in a day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the righteous one, who does not resist you.
James 2:14-18
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.
1 John 4:20
If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.
Proverbs 31:8-9
Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy.
Leviticus 19:33-34
When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God
Exodus 22:21
Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt.
Deuteronomy 10:19
And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt.
Deuteronomy 27:19
“Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow.” Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”
Thank you for listing all af the passages that these schools will avoid sharing with the children.
The best book to read in order to stop believing is … The Bible. Have at it and enjoy!
I was so very religious until I got sent to a Juvenile Detention center as a kid and actually read the bible.
You are right.
Sunday school did it for me. When you read about a guy against wealth, dogmatism and organized religion and realize where you are.
Here, religion is part of the curriculum and we sent our kids to catholic class. After a few years they were like „it’s just silly stories that don’t make sense“
Here’s what Tom Paine had to say about it: “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel.”
Not to worry + I’m sure they’ll have highly redacted versions published for school use. Or an AI-generated one that will contradict itself even more than the actual Bible does.
Then there’s always the issue that the premise of this article relies upon the idea that the bulk of kids will be well-versed in using critical thought - something (sometimes literally) beaten out of southern kids via bullying from their own families.
starman2112I feel like you don’t need much critical thought to find it unfair that an entity would create you for the sole purpose of torturing you for eternity (Romans 9:19-21), or that the mass killing of women, children, and animals is unambiguously evil (1 Samuel 15:3) or that we shouldn’t kill people for working on Sunday (Exodus 35:2)
You’d have to read it, understand it, & the critical part: know how to apply it to your own life. I come from a family where I was bullied - you are trained early on not to even think of “backtalking” authority for fear of your own safety. They just won’t allow themselves to go there. There’s a reason the right is so irrational: they never learned to question anything because they weren’t allowed to. So their arguments are just a random combo of shit they were trained to “believe” and whatever sounds like a good bully argument. It’s attack, or be attacked & that’s their primary concern deep down.
I only escaped the clutches because my parents separated while the family was in a foreign country. I was the youngest & “Mom’s baby”, and my mother was absolutely clueless on how to parent & ultimately didn’t. I wound up l spending a huge chunk of my life trying to figure out how the world worked on my own, which definitely had some huge drawbacks, but at least on the positive side it allowed me to see the world for what it actually was. Eventually.
dan1101Let them learn about the kindness that Jesus preached. Except to the money changers using temples as places to make money. Hmm.
This is why Mormons control the teaching of seminary, even to the point of building classrooms off school ground so they can teach seminary class.
FirstCircleBible stories in the classroom sounds great, if teachers can use A/V aids like this:
The Goon Bible Project - Book of Job
Kids will love it.
Reading the Bible is the best way to become an atheist.
Still, this should not be a mandated thing. That is inhumane, cruel, against god and against freedom.
Onishi and his co-host, with their “Straight White American Jesus” podcast, have been hitting it out of the park lately. Last week there was an episode about the Job story where their analysis made the God character come off as a real dick, and also showed how the Satan character is misunderstood badly - in the Job story he kind of works for God as part of his administration and they cooperate on certain projects such as the Job one. Also last week was an analysis of the Garden of Eden story and on the concept of Original Sin. It seems that the poor snake is not some kind of embodiment of the Satan character at all, at least according to the Bible.
The larger context reveals that this story is about the ancient king Solomon, and it has nothing to do with the modern nation-state, much less one on a continent unknown to the writers of the Bible.
Expecting reading comprehension from the average Texan is quite hopeful.
We’re not really what you see on tv. We have a lot of blue people who don’t vote because they’ve been told that blue votes don’t matter here.
This gives me hope- https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas/article/meet-flower-mound-texas-baker-sparked-maga-uproar-22339167.php
They’ve been selling out and closing early every day since Libs of TikTok ‘cancelled’ them a couple of weeks ago.
We have a lot of blue people who don’t vote because they’ve been told that blue votes don’t matter here.
So either dumb, or lazy and making up excuses?
AngularOh yes indeed, most of the Bible is very explicit and rated R. However, they do sell those watered down kids versions that I’m sure they will require.
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Can’t believe I had to open a clickbait link just to skim through an article.
Yeah. They make bibles for good folks stuck being forced to teach it.
It’s pretty good at making non-believers.
Also, I’m sure teachers will have their jobs in jeopardy (and knowing the wingers, probably getting death threats too) the minute some little Eichmann in one of their classes feel that their beliefs are being mocked or are under attack and takes to the ’net to whine about it, or has their parents do the whining for them…
That’s where the teacher uses the skeptics guide to the king James Bible not as a way to profess but as a way to facilitate conversation.
The teacher doesn’t have to challenge anything. The skeptics Bible just lays the references to other parts of the Bible out bare.
Ask the class “how many sons did God have? What does the Bible tell us. Talk with your neighbor about what you think based on what the Bible says”
The Bible has several answers to this. So, they arguements come from the students understanding of scripture, not the teacher teaching it.
Source: catholic school in a blue state.
Yep, I get all that. I’m just saying once some no-neck gets the idea that little Johnny or little Susie might be getting some instruction that involves anything other than just reaffirming what mommy and daddy think - even if that only involves presenting all the information and letting Johnny and Susie make some inferences - they are gonna get all riled up.
Well, it has the word skeptic right in there. The type of xtians that want to be able to inflict xtian madrassas on everyone have done a lot to make the word skeptic a bad thing. (I remember one rather strident xtian asking me for evidence of something I told him and I sent him the link to the relevant part of the SAB site and his response: “of course, it’s from a skeptic. I’m not bothering with that site!")
Also - I had no idea they had printed copies, and I’ve been telling people to use that site for years.
TIL. Sure enough, the link to Amazon for the printed copy is in the bottom right, and it never even occurred to me that there might be a printed copy of this.
https://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
Holy shit that is awesome. If i wasnt so lazy, it might be fun to make a church that focuses on just the rediculous shit in the bible. Really get up in everyone’s face about the weird bullshit in there.
Thanks for your service 🫡
The best way to make an atheist is to force them to read the Bible.
They’ll keep forcing it
They’re stupid, and hateful
They need their fairytale to justify their hatred of all the things they fear
I’m reading the Bible now (on 1 Samuel,) and yeah, unless you’re already a believer, there’s nothing in there that will make you believe. I found Leviticus fascinating as a look into an ancient religious society, but when it describes in detail how the fat around the intestines and kidneys should be burned in the various types of animal sacrifices, of which Deuteronomy demands thousands per year, it’s clear that this is very foreign and very old.
Problem is that believers are taught to ignore the uncomfortable bits: “Jesus fulfilled the Old Law so we don’t have to do that.” Ok. But why before Jesus did God care about the order in which a sheep’s organs were burned? Why did he find the aroma of burning fat pleasing? Believers won’t answer that, they’ll handwave it as something necessary in old Jewish society but that no longer applies.
Even if you ignore all that, though, the whole thing reads like a giant Skywalker saga. Every tribe and group of people traces their lineage back to someone in Genesis. Every town and site has an origin story: “And then Bob farted on the hill, so they named that hill Smeltit, with means scented wind.” Enemies cower in fear because they hear how awesome the Israelite’s god is and how much better he is than their gods. People freely give out blessings and curses (both of which work), and roll dice as a form of divination, and believers still insist the blessings work today while sweeping the rest under the rug.
It’s obviously all myth meant to explain the world in which the ancient Israelites lived, but you’re only going to see that if you’re not already blindly believing that God orchestrated all of it.
All of that, but also “These poorly translated parts of the old testament which let me hate others can stay, though.”
Something I find interesting about other religions in the world is that most of them commit to the whole thing, or at least a lot of it, even when it’s inconvenient. Islam has so many things happening all the time, a lot of which involves fasting or not eating certain things, or praying at annoying times in specific ways. Then there’s Christianity, a religion where the most you really have to do is have an annoying bumper sticker and go to church where someone tells you to hate other people but that you can ignore all the bothersome stuff like no tattoos, no mixing fabrics, or any of that other stuff.
It’s a joke religion for lazy people who want excuses.
Republicans lack the self reflection necessary to have regret.
The problem is this line of thinking only works on educated individuals never underestimate the effectiveness of cutting education and making people easier to control.
Discussing and reading the Bible as a teenager nowadays will end well.
“Yeah, like what is this ‘love thy neighbor’ crap?? What does that even mean?”