I was setting up some template VMs on a fresh Proxmox VE (VM server) yesterday. Total install and troubleshooting times for each template were as follows;
* Linux Mint Debian Edition - 20 minutes
* Windows 10 IOT LTSC - 3 hours
* Windows 11 IOT LTSV - 6 hours, with the benefit of lessons learned from the Win 10 install.
The amount of obscure configs I had to dig up just to get them going was disgusting. Also, why the fuck are so many drivers not in Win10/11 by default, yet Linux has no issue including them all at a fraction of the ISO size?
Linux and Mac are a monolithic kernel, which I understand to mean that the entire OS runs in kernel space to operate the compatible hardware. This has the advantage of making sure the OS is in the drivers seat for resource management, and no individual program is easily able to overload the system and create instability, but it may limit the power of some programs and delay compatability of new hardware and software.
Windows, on the other hand, is a hybrid kernel, which means some functions are managed in user space so that a program has more control over the hardware. This can be useful for pushing gaming to the limit or running experimental/custom programs, but it can lead to instability from resource hungry programs or security vulnerabilities from Trojan horses.
As for why their ISO is huge, I s’pose it’s due to all the extra crap they throw in there like AI, pinball, and data collection stuff.
Apologies if I got something fundamentally wrong—there are plenty of bigger nerds than me on here—but that’s my best attempt at explaining the difference as well as I know it.
Windows, on the other hand, is a hybrid kernel, which means some functions are managed in user space so that a program has more control over the hardware.
Windows and Linux are both monolithic kernels, in the sense that most device drivers run in kernel mode with kernel privilege. They’re not like Mach or Hurd.
Windows outsourced their device driver development early on to the hardware manufacturers, and they encouraged closed-source drivers with separate source trees and builds. To facilitate this, Windows NT developed a system called plug-n-play (PnP) which searches for and loads driver modules (.sys files) from disk into the kernel.
Linux developed a similar system of loadable kernel modules (.ko files), but their system arrived much later. One reason is that Linux’s GPLv2 license mandates that driver source code be licensed under compatible terms. That and Linux has always been pretty open about accepting driver code into their main source tree. Finally, manufacturers were never interested early on in writing Linux drivers, so the driver development was being done by the community, which was already using the Linux source tree.
So Linux didn’t have as much pressure to develop a loadable module system. So they did it later.
To the present day, the majority of Linux device drivers are submitted to mainline Linux and go through the Linux review process. Windows drivers are mainly developed by third parties, but they do have to go through the Windows Hardware Quality Labs review and testing process.
Apple writes all their MacOS drivers internally, because they are also the hardware OEM.
Your standard off the shelf easy to setup Linux ISO (mint for example) is like 4 GB after install, it includes a whole office suite, a few games, screensavers, GIMP, and a whole bunch of software you may not ever realize is on there or even need.
Did you know many distros standard install includes the GNU C/C++ compiler? Do most people need the GNU compiler? No, but the whole OS and all these tools is already smaller than a barebones install of windows since microslop just ships bloat.
Well you see, if there are fewer drivers included there is more room for user friendly features, such as persistent ai intrusion. You probably also gonna update them anyway, might as well download fresh 😇
Sadly, I’ll be doing the same because the software I need to configure my mouse, keyboard, and controllers don’t support linux. They run in wine, but they can’t see the peripherals.
I have done it a few times over the years but never on my main driver. Until last month… I bought a new laptop for my business and immediately installed Linux on the entire drive. I never initialized the win 11 that came with it.
So far I have had a few hiccups with getting some things working. I have also yet to find a basic WYSIWYG editor for my very basic HTML business webpage on Linux. So I am keeping my 6 year old laptop with win10 up and going on my desk for now.
Just so ppl aren’t dissapointed
Daws like ableton and fl studio don’t have support (Reaper and Bitwig do tho, some others too)
Visual programs like touch designer and resolume don’t work (seen workarounds but they have issues)
Davinci resolve may crash, it worked fine on arch but on bazzite it freezes my pc when loading projects
On the gaming side obv there are the games that won’t function without anticheat like wrc, iracing, f1, etc. No game pass ofc.
I still wouldn’t swap back to windows and I barely use it, maybe once a month if I really want to use something not on Linux.
Main downside is lack of piracy. Houdinifx should work fine on linux natively, but lacks a crack. So even if the paid software does work, if you pirate to use this stuff as a hobby than you’ll have to swap to something like Blender/Inkscape that is free and works on linux. Only crack I’ve found was for Davinci Resolve.
Linux has plenty of free and capable alternatives for paid software, I like that it has me using Foss more. Went from learning Houdini + Davinci to just sticking with Blender for my hobby visuals, not mad about it, prefer that I was forced to focus on one.
Just so ppl aren’t dissapointed Daws like ableton and fl studio don’t have support (Reaper and Bitwig do tho, some others too)
And while Bitwig runs great, there’s a much smaller selection of Linux-compatible third-party plugins. I didn’t have any luck with compatibility layers, so I switched my complete plugin stack when I switched to Linux. I’m relatively ascetic when it comes to plugins so its fine, but lots of people won’t be willing to work like that.
Yeah I’d done the same a while back just to play D2 (fucking Battle Eye), but found I just never booted into it and said fuck it I’ll live w/o games that have incompatible anti cheat.
literally the only reason I ever boot into WIndows now is for doing online exams for college that use spyware shit and throws a hissy fit if you’reon linux (both browser and app… well, if you can even get the testing app on Linux…)
I don’t want to tinker around with something that determines my entire grade nor do I want to take my test on a school device because there might be files and programs I need, so I just switch to my Windows partition for that awful 5 hrs or so. But once I graduate that shit is getting nuked.
I remember when I was dualbooting Windows and Linux. The year was 2006 and many devices needed special drivers that were closed sourced and available only for Windows. Laptop cameras, WiFi, memory card readers… Linux would run on most laptops but many things still didn’t work right. Similar thing with some software. You would buy a smart watch or something and it would require running some weird Windows only app to set it up. We’re so lucky those strange times are behind us now.
I’ve had to RMA plenty of otherwise perfectly usable motherboards because Windows had fucked up their firmware with unprompted updates, bordering on zero-click malware behaviour. The farther that shit stays from Linux, the better.
Not really. Plenty of hardware to choose from today. Yes, it’s possible that some random RGB/cooling setup will not work with Linux but you can easily find one that will. 20 years ago it was possible that the one device with Linux drivers what too expensive or didn’t have the features you needed.
I got curious last week with how windows is now and decided to just spin up a copy on an extra 250gb ssd I had. I had a windows 11 usb stick so I just installed it. big mistake. during the MANY updates post install it decided to “upgrade” the bios on my thinkpad and now the volume controls (up, down, mute) are “backwards”. I had to go into the bios to set the F1 thru 12 keys to enable without the use of the FN key to be able to use the FN key with them. it’s so stupid.
Also thank god when I installed windows I used a throw away email to setup the account because it immediately got spammed with microsoft emails.
My first ever Linux install, I just went for it. I backed up my media, played around in the live environment for 5 minutes or so, then I wiped the drive and installed. No dual boot, no VM, just bare metal. That was 10 years ago, and I have never looked back.
For the noobs to Linux, heed the words of your endlers: don’t dual boot. The operating systems have a way of killing each other’s bootloaders. It might even run fine for a while, but then one day there will be an update and one OS will be unbootable. Not worth the risk as a noob. If you’re really worried you might need a Windows program, then just run a Windows VM within Linux. If you want to keep the option for gaming, then you could dual boot, but don’t do it on a work critical machine.
Dual boot is fine, you just need to choose some good options.
Method 1: Most recommended. use Refined as your boot loader and two drives, not partitions. This is the easiest, safest, and frankly nicest way to deal with this. At boot, before either system starts you get a nice graphical interface to choose which OS to go into.
Method 2: Partition style. Disable window fast startup. Disable windows hibernation (never hibernate windows before going into linux). Use UEFI and GPT no legacy methods. Don’t encrpyt windows with bitlocker.
That said, my desktop and traveling laptop have been windows free for years, I have no need for it, and your advice is the safest way overall. A vm in linux with virtualmanager works very well.
I did dual booting for a long time, because ✨ proprietary drivers ✨ , To this day I can’t use my wifi (there’s no patch for now) or bluetooth, but it’s acceptable price for not being under microsoft’s feet
I have a separate drive for windows. I’ve heard tales of how windows can simply break or eat Linux partitions or something. It’s only there so I can run games that won’t run on Linux.
It would wipe the boot loader, might still do that it’s been a long time size I dual booted, and from what I remember would get massively confused if it couldn’t boot in to windows during one of its update/reboot x3 cycles.
I’ve done my research, and apparently Wine can run it pretty well.. Until you add third part plug ins. I’m pretty new to Linux since having the steamdeck and I really want nothing to do with windows.. I just really want to work on music and I’ve been learning FL for years so I don’t want to switch. I also never find anything as vast as FL with its piano roll, instruments and effects etc.
If you really want to get rid of your dual boot but need Windows, you could set up a virtual machine running Windows. You need a bit of a nicer machine to deal with the overhead, but it’s not so bad as people assume a lot of the time. As long as you don’t need the GPU for what you’re doing, I think it’s even pretty easy to give the VM direct access to the base hardware it needs, which cuts a fair bit of overhead. It may or may not get fairly technical to set up, depending on your hardware, distro, and personal luck, but it might be viable.
Not quite. I’ve downloaded and looked at it a little, but after all the time I’ve spent learning FL, looking at a new DAW doesn’t sound fun. is there anything similar to FL that has all of the instruments, piano rolls, effects and all that good stuff? if I don’t have to touch windows for the rest of my existence I’d be great.
You might find the Playtime plugin interesting. It allows you to use Reaper in a session view similar to Ableton Live for triggering tracks, one shots, etc.
How do I run my WMR kit on Linux to play modded Beat Saber? I can mod beat saber on Linux but I prefer to sweat in my WMR kit instead of my expensive Index.
The last winblows in this house is on (one of three) its own disk on a t440p, just in case a piece of shit needs a firmware update, and I dread that moment, last time I needed it was an 8BitDo , now in the hands of my kiddo on Bazzite (thank Athena I now have a steam controller). Not sure what I’m saying other than let the BIOS do the switching and may you never need to boot windows again.
About a month ago I was very happy to replace Window on both my pc and a laptop. The last one is now a server in my utility closet. I couldn´t be happier and can´t imagine going back to Windows for any reason!
What is so precious on Linux that you cannot do on Windows? Dynamic Tiling? - Komorebi. TUI file manager? -Yazi. Custom themes, and bars? -Yep. Bash? -Yep (along with uutils). GPU accelerated terminal emulator? - multiple including Windows Terminal.
What you’re giving up on Linux is most professional industry standard productivity software, and many of the games real gamers actually want to play (not all crap that pirates collect). You’re giving up security by default (Arch, Gentoo and the like along with TWMs will have people storing browser passwords in the equivalent of a text file for just one example). You give up an OS that evolved to deal better without ECC memory (todays Windows is far more resilient to bitflips).
Even FOSS software runs better on Windows. VLC causing Linux to seize was just one of many examples.
So yes, I agree that for 99.9% of people, dual booting is a waste of disk space.
What is so precious on Windows that you cannot do on Linux?
Sell my telemetry to the highest bidder? Give me ads in my desktop? Force AI into every request i make? Capture images of everything I do and store them against my wishes so that malware can come in and access that? You want to be the target of practically every worm/virus/botnet out there? You want what is demonstrably the worst history of security for any desktop OS with one of the most bypassed antivirus systems in existence?
What you’re giving up with Windows are a few handfulls of games with kernel-level anti-cheat that already fail to keep people from cheating. You want to play Roblox right? It’s FULL of players, you must! Fortnight? Super important titles.
Of course then you have things like Outlook that are already being replaced by Electron apps that exactly the same on linux in a browser.
So yes, I agree that for 99.9% of people, dual booting is a waste of disk space.
Right,
The only people concerned about Telemetry are conspiracy theorists. The other 80% of people don’t care, and a good amount of them understand that it’s used for improving software.
What Linux advocates call ads are introductions to features and things that would benefit them, and they’re far easier to turn off than switching OSes.
Many of us have been using Windows without ever encountering a virus. -I went out of my way to get one so I could test my skills on it (only time and I’m 55).
There are far more than just ‘kernel level AC games’. We’ve seen this propaganda for years while Proton keeps realease new compatibility updates. Also, even your Linux loving LTT called ProtonDB a what? Only recently did WINE (not Proton) fix the frame timing issue that made some games unbeatable mid-game (far worse than not working).
Most people aren’t bothering with an email client these days.
Right, The only people concerned about Telemetry are conspiracy theorists.
You can call me a conspiracy theorist, I can say you’re a paid troll. That’s easy, this is a fun game.
and a good amount of them understand that it’s used for improving software.
linking a linux sucks community, SURELY that is full of nothing but good intensions and good solid facts.
What Linux advocates call ads are introductions to features and things that would benefit them,
I cannot wait to start benefitting from “7 tips for handling hot summer hikes”, or “Get Skype”, or “Rousey more than ‘most dominate athelete’”
Many of us have been using Windows without ever encountering a virus.
Most of us, of working age in offices the early 00’s have numerous zero day worms. There was no protection.
We’ve seen this propaganda f
The gall of you to call out propaganda, while pointing to a windows propaganda site, while cherry-picking and spilling out bald-faced lies in your post.
Proton keeps realease new compatibility updates.
Tell me, do you want improving software or not, you’re giving out some real mixed signals.
Only recently did WINE (not Proton) fix the frame timing issue that made some games unbeatable mid-game (far worse than not working).
The real difference is not only is stuff running faster, they’ll keep releasing updates for shit that gets broken, that’s part of understanding how to improve software.
Most people aren’t bothering with an email client these days.
55 and already retired? Man that must be nice.
I have’t seen a company in 50 years that doesn’t use email. And, wasn’t the use of corporate software that doesn’t run in linux one of your primary propaganda targets? You really need to make up your mind on that one.
The linux sucks community is his own, and he instantly bans anyone that even posts neutral comments. You have to agree, or you’re not on there. I’m not exactly sure if he’s just a persistent troll or if he has some weird reason to hate linux this much. What’s obvious is, he’s not interested in discussion.
This is a great example of a comment that wasted energy for no good reason at all, you could have spent it all in your industry standard productivity game instead and nothing would have changed
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If you don’t respect the bootloader, you don’t get a seat at the table.
There’s a chance I’d still have a windows install alongside Linux, if windows would just mind its own business.
I was setting up some template VMs on a fresh Proxmox VE (VM server) yesterday. Total install and troubleshooting times for each template were as follows; * Linux Mint Debian Edition - 20 minutes * Windows 10 IOT LTSC - 3 hours * Windows 11 IOT LTSV - 6 hours, with the benefit of lessons learned from the Win 10 install.
The amount of obscure configs I had to dig up just to get them going was disgusting. Also, why the fuck are so many drivers not in Win10/11 by default, yet Linux has no issue including them all at a fraction of the ISO size?
I believe it’s due to kernel philosophy.
Linux and Mac are a monolithic kernel, which I understand to mean that the entire OS runs in kernel space to operate the compatible hardware. This has the advantage of making sure the OS is in the drivers seat for resource management, and no individual program is easily able to overload the system and create instability, but it may limit the power of some programs and delay compatability of new hardware and software.
Windows, on the other hand, is a hybrid kernel, which means some functions are managed in user space so that a program has more control over the hardware. This can be useful for pushing gaming to the limit or running experimental/custom programs, but it can lead to instability from resource hungry programs or security vulnerabilities from Trojan horses.
As for why their ISO is huge, I s’pose it’s due to all the extra crap they throw in there like AI, pinball, and data collection stuff.
Apologies if I got something fundamentally wrong—there are plenty of bigger nerds than me on here—but that’s my best attempt at explaining the difference as well as I know it.
Didn’t they remove pinball from Windows?
It’s just like Microsoft to remove the one I might actually want out of those three. More pinball, less data collection!
There’s a Linux port of it on Flathub
Yeah I think it was removed in windows 7 or 8.
Windows and Linux are both monolithic kernels, in the sense that most device drivers run in kernel mode with kernel privilege. They’re not like Mach or Hurd.
Windows outsourced their device driver development early on to the hardware manufacturers, and they encouraged closed-source drivers with separate source trees and builds. To facilitate this, Windows NT developed a system called plug-n-play (PnP) which searches for and loads driver modules (.sys files) from disk into the kernel.
Linux developed a similar system of loadable kernel modules (.ko files), but their system arrived much later. One reason is that Linux’s GPLv2 license mandates that driver source code be licensed under compatible terms. That and Linux has always been pretty open about accepting driver code into their main source tree. Finally, manufacturers were never interested early on in writing Linux drivers, so the driver development was being done by the community, which was already using the Linux source tree.
So Linux didn’t have as much pressure to develop a loadable module system. So they did it later.
To the present day, the majority of Linux device drivers are submitted to mainline Linux and go through the Linux review process. Windows drivers are mainly developed by third parties, but they do have to go through the Windows Hardware Quality Labs review and testing process.
Apple writes all their MacOS drivers internally, because they are also the hardware OEM.
Your standard off the shelf easy to setup Linux ISO (mint for example) is like 4 GB after install, it includes a whole office suite, a few games, screensavers, GIMP, and a whole bunch of software you may not ever realize is on there or even need.
Did you know many distros standard install includes the GNU C/C++ compiler? Do most people need the GNU compiler? No, but the whole OS and all these tools is already smaller than a barebones install of windows since microslop just ships bloat.
Well you see, if there are fewer drivers included there is more room for user friendly features, such as persistent ai intrusion. You probably also gonna update them anyway, might as well download fresh 😇
Don’t worry windows. You may be back as a small virtual machine for some obscure rarely used reason.
Just got my printer working so even my virtual Windows can go away now 🥳
Library, or print at work.
Sadly, I’ll be doing the same because the software I need to configure my mouse, keyboard, and controllers don’t support linux. They run in wine, but they can’t see the peripherals.
I use WinBoat for work. Easy to set up and does what I need. I definitely prefer this over setting up a VM manually.
Setting up a vm is a trivial task for me. I’ll take a look at winboat though
Namely: running software.
(JK JK I swear I’ll switch as soon as I’m not fighting abject poverty and can afford a hard drive, internet, etc.)
A pivotal moment in my life was when I first installed Linux to the entire hard disk instead of a separate partition.
I have done it a few times over the years but never on my main driver. Until last month… I bought a new laptop for my business and immediately installed Linux on the entire drive. I never initialized the win 11 that came with it.
So far I have had a few hiccups with getting some things working. I have also yet to find a basic WYSIWYG editor for my very basic HTML business webpage on Linux. So I am keeping my 6 year old laptop with win10 up and going on my desk for now.
I did dual booting for a month just to make sure there wasn’t a single use case for windows left. Not ONE use case for me.
Just so ppl aren’t dissapointed Daws like ableton and fl studio don’t have support (Reaper and Bitwig do tho, some others too)
Visual programs like touch designer and resolume don’t work (seen workarounds but they have issues)
Davinci resolve may crash, it worked fine on arch but on bazzite it freezes my pc when loading projects
On the gaming side obv there are the games that won’t function without anticheat like wrc, iracing, f1, etc. No game pass ofc.
I still wouldn’t swap back to windows and I barely use it, maybe once a month if I really want to use something not on Linux.
Main downside is lack of piracy. Houdinifx should work fine on linux natively, but lacks a crack. So even if the paid software does work, if you pirate to use this stuff as a hobby than you’ll have to swap to something like Blender/Inkscape that is free and works on linux. Only crack I’ve found was for Davinci Resolve.
Linux has plenty of free and capable alternatives for paid software, I like that it has me using Foss more. Went from learning Houdini + Davinci to just sticking with Blender for my hobby visuals, not mad about it, prefer that I was forced to focus on one.
And while Bitwig runs great, there’s a much smaller selection of Linux-compatible third-party plugins. I didn’t have any luck with compatibility layers, so I switched my complete plugin stack when I switched to Linux. I’m relatively ascetic when it comes to plugins so its fine, but lots of people won’t be willing to work like that.
I did it for almost a year. Went back over once just to get files I missed moving the first time.
I set up dual boot just in case, but I can’t remember the last time I even booted Windows. When I get a chance I’ll probably just nuke it.
My VR set up simply will not work in Linux yet, or at least not correctly. Once that’s fixed I’ll nuke my windows part
Yeah I’d done the same a while back just to play D2 (fucking Battle Eye), but found I just never booted into it and said fuck it I’ll live w/o games that have incompatible anti cheat.
literally the only reason I ever boot into WIndows now is for doing online exams for college that use spyware shit and throws a hissy fit if you’reon linux (both browser and app… well, if you can even get the testing app on Linux…)
I don’t want to tinker around with something that determines my entire grade nor do I want to take my test on a school device because there might be files and programs I need, so I just switch to my Windows partition for that awful 5 hrs or so. But once I graduate that shit is getting nuked.
I remember when I was dualbooting Windows and Linux. The year was 2006 and many devices needed special drivers that were closed sourced and available only for Windows. Laptop cameras, WiFi, memory card readers… Linux would run on most laptops but many things still didn’t work right. Similar thing with some software. You would buy a smart watch or something and it would require running some weird Windows only app to set it up. We’re so lucky those strange times are behind us now.
Unfortunately still the case for most BIOS updaters, RGB/cooling setups, and proprietary HID stuff. You need Windows for anything beyond the basics.
I’ve had to RMA plenty of otherwise perfectly usable motherboards because Windows had fucked up their firmware with unprompted updates, bordering on zero-click malware behaviour. The farther that shit stays from Linux, the better.
Not really. Plenty of hardware to choose from today. Yes, it’s possible that some random RGB/cooling setup will not work with Linux but you can easily find one that will. 20 years ago it was possible that the one device with Linux drivers what too expensive or didn’t have the features you needed.
I haven’t really messed with it since installing it on a PS3 so the growth combined with MS bullshit is compelling to bring me back
i think it’s in fact possible to install windows on btrfs or linux on ntfs.. and have them on one partition.
Both of these sound like terrible ideas
they are indeed lmao
Ew…
Eh. When ditching W10, I did install on a separate partition; I have one piece of software that I knew would be troublesome.
Then one day I needed space, and just nuked windows. Didn’t boot it in months anyway.
I have Win10 IOT installed in VirtualBox, but I haven’t booted it in almost a year. I don’t have any use for it, that Linux can’t handle.
I got curious last week with how windows is now and decided to just spin up a copy on an extra 250gb ssd I had. I had a windows 11 usb stick so I just installed it. big mistake. during the MANY updates post install it decided to “upgrade” the bios on my thinkpad and now the volume controls (up, down, mute) are “backwards”. I had to go into the bios to set the F1 thru 12 keys to enable without the use of the FN key to be able to use the FN key with them. it’s so stupid.
Also thank god when I installed windows I used a throw away email to setup the account because it immediately got spammed with microsoft emails.
Never again.
My first ever Linux install, I just went for it. I backed up my media, played around in the live environment for 5 minutes or so, then I wiped the drive and installed. No dual boot, no VM, just bare metal. That was 10 years ago, and I have never looked back.
For the noobs to Linux, heed the words of your endlers: don’t dual boot. The operating systems have a way of killing each other’s bootloaders. It might even run fine for a while, but then one day there will be an update and one OS will be unbootable. Not worth the risk as a noob. If you’re really worried you might need a Windows program, then just run a Windows VM within Linux. If you want to keep the option for gaming, then you could dual boot, but don’t do it on a work critical machine.
Dual boot is fine, you just need to choose some good options.
Method 1: Most recommended. use Refined as your boot loader and two drives, not partitions. This is the easiest, safest, and frankly nicest way to deal with this. At boot, before either system starts you get a nice graphical interface to choose which OS to go into.
Method 2: Partition style. Disable window fast startup. Disable windows hibernation (never hibernate windows before going into linux). Use UEFI and GPT no legacy methods. Don’t encrpyt windows with bitlocker.
That said, my desktop and traveling laptop have been windows free for years, I have no need for it, and your advice is the safest way overall. A vm in linux with virtualmanager works very well.
I did dual booting for a long time, because ✨ proprietary drivers ✨ , To this day I can’t use my wifi (there’s no patch for now) or bluetooth, but it’s acceptable price for not being under microsoft’s feet
I have a separate drive for windows. I’ve heard tales of how windows can simply break or eat Linux partitions or something. It’s only there so I can run games that won’t run on Linux.
It would wipe the boot loader, might still do that it’s been a long time size I dual booted, and from what I remember would get massively confused if it couldn’t boot in to windows during one of its update/reboot x3 cycles.
Also would eat kittens given half a chance
I’m dualbooting Linux. Mostly because I’m in the process of switching distros and I’ve been dragging my feet for a long time.
Make the plunge my friend, u could dual lot TWO Linuxi instead ;)
Ok thats funny
I wish I didn’t have a purpose for Windows. I need to dual boot because I can’t get FL studio on my Steamdeck.
Have you tried stuff like WINE? I thought I’d heard of people using FL Studio without much issue, but I may be confusing it with another program.
I’ve done my research, and apparently Wine can run it pretty well.. Until you add third part plug ins. I’m pretty new to Linux since having the steamdeck and I really want nothing to do with windows.. I just really want to work on music and I’ve been learning FL for years so I don’t want to switch. I also never find anything as vast as FL with its piano roll, instruments and effects etc.
If you really want to get rid of your dual boot but need Windows, you could set up a virtual machine running Windows. You need a bit of a nicer machine to deal with the overhead, but it’s not so bad as people assume a lot of the time. As long as you don’t need the GPU for what you’re doing, I think it’s even pretty easy to give the VM direct access to the base hardware it needs, which cuts a fair bit of overhead. It may or may not get fairly technical to set up, depending on your hardware, distro, and personal luck, but it might be viable.
I don’t have a Steamdeck, but to be the linux guy of music software: you tried Reaper, yet?
Not quite. I’ve downloaded and looked at it a little, but after all the time I’ve spent learning FL, looking at a new DAW doesn’t sound fun. is there anything similar to FL that has all of the instruments, piano rolls, effects and all that good stuff? if I don’t have to touch windows for the rest of my existence I’d be great.
You might find the Playtime plugin interesting. It allows you to use Reaper in a session view similar to Ableton Live for triggering tracks, one shots, etc.
https://www.helgoboss.org/projects/playtime/
And that was the moment Padme chose violence
“But I need…” No you don’t. Commit and learn a new way to do the thing you swear you need Windows for.
How do I run my WMR kit on Linux to play modded Beat Saber? I can mod beat saber on Linux but I prefer to sweat in my WMR kit instead of my expensive Index.
I forgot I even had a Windows partition…
I think most other linux distros get the same treatment to be fair. I know I usually just nuke / and use the old /home
I back up /etc as well.
I’m too worried about config misconfigs to do that, I usually have a clean slate for /etc and then delete per user configs as I hit snags.
I don’t copy it over the new one but I do grab things like fstab settings and other things.
My windows install is safely on a drive nicknamed “STORAGE”.
I use arch, btw.
The last winblows in this house is on (one of three) its own disk on a t440p, just in case a piece of shit needs a firmware update, and I dread that moment, last time I needed it was an 8BitDo , now in the hands of my kiddo on Bazzite (thank Athena I now have a steam controller). Not sure what I’m saying other than let the BIOS do the switching and may you never need to boot windows again.
Dual boot is the side piece that eventually goes primary…
even though I don’t have any arm devices I’m kinda excited about that steam-os-like arm distro
About a month ago I was very happy to replace Window on both my pc and a laptop. The last one is now a server in my utility closet. I couldn´t be happier and can´t imagine going back to Windows for any reason!
What is so precious on Linux that you cannot do on Windows? Dynamic Tiling? - Komorebi. TUI file manager? -Yazi. Custom themes, and bars? -Yep. Bash? -Yep (along with uutils). GPU accelerated terminal emulator? - multiple including Windows Terminal.
What you’re giving up on Linux is most professional industry standard productivity software, and many of the games real gamers actually want to play (not all crap that pirates collect). You’re giving up security by default (Arch, Gentoo and the like along with TWMs will have people storing browser passwords in the equivalent of a text file for just one example). You give up an OS that evolved to deal better without ECC memory (todays Windows is far more resilient to bitflips).
Even FOSS software runs better on Windows. VLC causing Linux to seize was just one of many examples.
So yes, I agree that for 99.9% of people, dual booting is a waste of disk space.
@madthumbs
> What is so precious on Linux that you cannot do on Windows?
Stay private and technologically independent.
@cannedtuna
If you do everything right. For most people you’re just standing there with your dick, or clam, out.
Propaganda.
@madthumbs Have you noticed where you are, lol?
Just peek at his profile and it will all make sense.
TL;DR don’t feed the troll.
what does it matter?
Turn that on its head.
What is so precious on Windows that you cannot do on Linux?
Sell my telemetry to the highest bidder? Give me ads in my desktop? Force AI into every request i make? Capture images of everything I do and store them against my wishes so that malware can come in and access that? You want to be the target of practically every worm/virus/botnet out there? You want what is demonstrably the worst history of security for any desktop OS with one of the most bypassed antivirus systems in existence?
What you’re giving up with Windows are a few handfulls of games with kernel-level anti-cheat that already fail to keep people from cheating. You want to play Roblox right? It’s FULL of players, you must! Fortnight? Super important titles.
Of course then you have things like Outlook that are already being replaced by Electron apps that exactly the same on linux in a browser.
So yes, I agree that for 99.9% of people, dual booting is a waste of disk space.
Right, The only people concerned about Telemetry are conspiracy theorists. The other 80% of people don’t care, and a good amount of them understand that it’s used for improving software.
What Linux advocates call ads are introductions to features and things that would benefit them, and they’re far easier to turn off than switching OSes.
Many of us have been using Windows without ever encountering a virus. -I went out of my way to get one so I could test my skills on it (only time and I’m 55).
There are far more than just ‘kernel level AC games’. We’ve seen this propaganda for years while Proton keeps realease new compatibility updates. Also, even your Linux loving LTT called ProtonDB a what? Only recently did WINE (not Proton) fix the frame timing issue that made some games unbeatable mid-game (far worse than not working).
Most people aren’t bothering with an email client these days.
You can call me a conspiracy theorist, I can say you’re a paid troll. That’s easy, this is a fun game.
linking a linux sucks community, SURELY that is full of nothing but good intensions and good solid facts.
I cannot wait to start benefitting from “7 tips for handling hot summer hikes”, or “Get Skype”, or “Rousey more than ‘most dominate athelete’”
Most of us, of working age in offices the early 00’s have numerous zero day worms. There was no protection.
The gall of you to call out propaganda, while pointing to a windows propaganda site, while cherry-picking and spilling out bald-faced lies in your post.
Tell me, do you want improving software or not, you’re giving out some real mixed signals.
Wine also makes numerous games run at a higher frame rate than windows. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47507150
The real difference is not only is stuff running faster, they’ll keep releasing updates for shit that gets broken, that’s part of understanding how to improve software.
55 and already retired? Man that must be nice.
I have’t seen a company in 50 years that doesn’t use email. And, wasn’t the use of corporate software that doesn’t run in linux one of your primary propaganda targets? You really need to make up your mind on that one.
The linux sucks community is his own, and he instantly bans anyone that even posts neutral comments. You have to agree, or you’re not on there. I’m not exactly sure if he’s just a persistent troll or if he has some weird reason to hate linux this much. What’s obvious is, he’s not interested in discussion.
sounds like he’s just windows marketing :)
This is a great example of a comment that wasted energy for no good reason at all, you could have spent it all in your industry standard productivity game instead and nothing would have changed
“real gamers” lmao
I gave up the dependency on TPM 2.0