RetroFedUS carmakers accuse EU of blocking supersized pick-up trucks from roads, FT reports
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EU: Cars driving on our roads should actually fit on the road.
US auto manufacturers: WHY ARE YOU PERSECUTING US??? 😭😭😭
That’s great!
grimpyThat’s the point, who needs a truck the size of a whole house.
Japanese pickup trucks have the same bed length as current American pickup trucks at a fraction of the size.
Hell even trucks from the 1980s - 1990s are a fraction of the size.
SteveCan we have them here in the US too?
Fuck those things (and I say this as a car enthusiast who occasionally needs to tow old classic cars for restoration or salvage and recycling).
Swede here, I love driving, 100% love it, I don’t drive in the city unless I need to (last time I had to was three time last summer), we have excellent public transport, there very limited need to drive in the city.
My favorite roads to drive are suburban and rural roads, they are fun and interesting .
I have a 2021 Seat Leon FR PHEV Hatchback, a great little car, and I hate the massive pickup cars from the US.
Just look at a comparison between my car and a F-150:
(This was the only F-150 model that was closest to the year my car was made.)
The F-150 is insane, the bonnet is at the same height as my car’s roof.
DFX4509BGreat! Now can we have this in the US too, please? Like, semis and other class-8 commercial trucks at least have a valid excuse to be massive (and even then, Europe manages to make their semis smaller than in the US while still having equivalent GVWRs by way of cabovers still being common over there, while cabovers are all but extinct in the US outside of trash trucks and fire trucks, basically); they’re typically carrying payloads as heavy as 100k+ lbs in some cases, and need specialized licensing to operate on top of that (CDL requirements kick in at class-7, or GVWRs above 26k lbs in the US, class-8 is 33k+ lbs, and semis are typically 80k lb GVWRs), but pick-ups really don’t need to be as big as they are, they have no excuse.
Plenty of people use their large pick up trucks for towing large trailers. Just today driving home from my farm I passed a dually truck towing a massive load of hay bales. A little Ford Maverick or Toyota Tacoma couldn’t handle that, and a semi would be overkill.
They’re just extremely impractical to drive in the city. I don’t know why so many people buy massive trucks and mostly drive down small streets and cramped parking lots, not to mention they never hook up a trailer even once in their life.
I still remember when my state required large pickups to have commercial licenses and have commercial insurance. Adding a few extra hoops to jump through could be similar to abolishing pickups while still allowing reasonable exceptions, maybe requiring extra drivers training
I know it could be personal bias but a lot of pickup drivers don’t seem capable of staying in their lane, taking a turn, maneuver in a parking lot. We need to recognize these are huge vehicles and require a little extra skill to drive.
And they should lose that license if they leave the trailer hitch in while they’re parking over a sidewalk
Pick-ups didn’t used to be huge though, see the S10/S15 for instance, a modern-day Colorado/Canyon dwarfs an S10/S15 from the final year they were sold in the US.
Adding a few extra hoops to jump through could be similar to abolishing pickups while still allowing reasonable exceptions, maybe requiring extra drivers training
- At the same time though, if someone needed to pull large trailers for whatever reason, but didn’t need a full-on class-7 or class-8 rig and the CDL requirements that go with that, they could just use a class-5 or class-6 chassis-cab rig for that purpose and then use a van for various field work or picking up small amounts of cargo. That van for field work would even be preferable both because of having the ability to lock one’s tools up and also having a sheltered workspace to do things in so they don’t have to get rained on and the like, and can work under A/C or heat during a particularly hot or cold day.
Good!
I’d like see the same in Australia
WeirdmusicTotally agree. Recently witnessed a huge SUV (with a lift kit, bringing it to over 2 metres high)in a suburban shopping centre that was left running for a ¼ of an hour while one of the occupants popped in to do some shopping.
These giant, stupid trucks everywhere was the biggest culture shock for me as a Dane, going to America last year.
Been to Europe, you’d be a total idiot to drive an F250 there.
WASHINGTON, April 8 (Reuters) - U.S. carmakers say rules under consideration by Brussels could keep full-size pickup trucks including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500 off European roads, according to a letter seen by Reuters.
Andrew Puzder, the U.S. ambassador to the bloc, told the Financial Times that the EU plans to change safety rules that could breach the spirit of the trade deal struck in August between the United States and the EU if they prevented some American vehicles from being sold in Europe.
The letter from the American Automotive Policy Council, which represents General Motors, Ford and Stellantis, noted the EU in August agreed to reduce or eliminate non-tariff barriers and provide mutual recognition of vehicle standards as part of the trade deal with the Trump administration.
The group said proposed changes to the EU’s Individual Vehicle Approval process would degrade access for U.S.-built vehicles sent to Europe. “As demand grows for certain vehicle types not commonly found in the EU, such as large pickup trucks the IVA program has been employed more frequently for those vehicles,” the letter said.
The automaker group noted an alliance of safety and green groups has been pressuring the EU “to end so-called ‘loopholes’ that allow large ‘American-style’ pick-up trucks to be sold in Europe.” Europe’s leading nonprofit clean transport and energy advocacy group, Transport & Environment, said large American pickups and SUVs accounted for 7,000 vehicle sales in the EU in 2024. The group has argued that allowing more U.S. SUVs and pickups “to be sold with far lower safety and air pollution standards would be a betrayal of all EU citizens.”
shiningheroSo shrink ‘em down then. They’re only that big due to the old CARB or CAFE regulations anyways (I forget which), and those are gone now too. So you can sell them domestically at that smaller size too.
In fact, I’m curious on what the size and weight limits are, and if the Slate truck will fit within them. It’ll be awesome if it can sell as-is with no modifications.
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good. Keep them in US, we don’t need them
those trucks should be banned on US roads. What’s worse, most of them are just glorified grocery getters.
Most of the Dodge Rams just exist to drive under the influence.
My father in law has one. And yes, all the stereotypes are confirmed. You’d think it has an ignition interlock device programmed in reverse, requiring a minimum blood alcohol level to operate. I keep waiting for him to get DUI’d.
If true, good.
I don’t mind these stupid trucks coming over here, as long as you need a C-license to drive one and if they are limited to 90km/h.
Also, cities have special parking enforcement vehicles that will slice the truck to fit into a parking space at the owners expense.
At least over here theres laws about having your vehicle inside the parking space. If its over the lines, you get a fine. Just need to enforce that, double the fines and the morons who buy these stupid things will finance our cities out of financial problems.
They can’t even sell what is a normal-sized pickup truck for the US in Europe. Because there simply isn’t any demand beyond that of a handful of people with severe psychological deficits they try to compensate for.
We have already too big cars here in Europe..
Yeah, I’m accusing EU of not banning big pickup trucks & giant SUVs enough.
It’s simple: they aren’t safe. They are a high danger to pedestrians, cyclists, and other road users.
They should require a special license and a legitimate need. No pavement princesses allowed.
I’m confused how they don’t already? More than 3500kg gross weight capacity is no longer a class B “car” but a class C/C1 “truck” and require a C1 license
They’re dangerous and environmentally wasteful.
I see some Ford Ranger Raptors (are they really called that? what a stupid name) in Germany. Those are probably the largest trucks on the road here and they are already way too big for cities, don’t fit into any parking spots and so on. Nobody here needs an even larger F-150.
I’m fucking furious that the tankstation owner appears to have a dodge ram that I have to look at every time I head out of the city northbound.
I regularly fantasise about coating it in paintstripper, but a supersoaker would dissolve too fast.
Either that or finding a bunch of dutch language books about insecurity to leave on the windscreen.
Who cares. They should be blocked.
. “As demand grows for certain vehicle types not commonly found in the EU, such as large pickup trucks"
There is no growth in demand. They sold 7,000, there were 13 million total car sales in 2025 in the EU. US SUV and large pickup truck sales were barely a rounding error.
…and?
Their country. Their rules.
Yeah, historically USA didn’t take kindly to that notion.
Thank you, EU
The infrastructure was there two thousand years before we’re not destroying that for a monster truck based wasteland.
Guilty as charged. What of it?
I’m from the US, fuck US carmakers and these stupid ugly monstrosities. Go live out your lame ass monster truck fantasies in a fucking video game or something.
Silly auto makers. You have to first capture the whole regulatory body and then you can make demands like that. Not before.
The major reason to sell them is specific to the US market anyway.
European countries adopted protectionist tariffs on chicken back in the 1960s. The US adopted counter-tariffs on light trucks. These counter-tariffs remain in force today. This makes domestically-produced light trucks artificially profitable in the US, which means US automakers have an incentive to advocate for policies (laxer emissions rules, more-stringent towing requirements than in Europe, etc) that encourage consumers to purchase pickups and especially larger, more-profitable pickups, as it’s very hard for foreign automakers to compete in this specific area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax
https://www.slashgear.com/1809287/chicken-tax-explained-history-current-impact/
it does make me laugh seeing Americans need a fifth wheel to move what I’ve seen a transit connect tow on its hitch. Or that time I saw a BMW 2 series convertible towing a caravan bigger than it.
That’s completely normal and safe. And Americans are lil’ bitches about towing, it would seem. Its either that or decades of automatic gearboxes zero tow rating has lead to the assumption you need a piggup trugg to move anything more than a utility trailer.
They should be banned in North America as a non commercial vehicle. I can’t think of a single person here that needs one, it’s purely a status symbol.
So many jacked up F350 grocery machines.
I don’t want US trucks on our roads. Keep them in the US! No one needs a vehicle to transport a flock of sheep through downtown. Our cities are small, our roads are narrow. You can use it in your country where you have roads in town like highways here.
Ireland has entered the chat.
Although they would (and do) use an appropriately-sized vehicle for such purposes
Good, these need to be blocked
It’s so obvious that for way way too long the US has gotten away with doing whatever the fuck it wants where ever it wants. It’s up to everyone everywhere to stop putting up with the US governments bullshit.